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Winter 2024-25 Discussion/Speculation


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On 10/26/2024 at 3:01 PM, MDstorm said:

The anomalously dry Fall continues.  The last time we had such a dry Fall was in 1963.  If only that analog worked out for the upcoming winter :snowman:

It appeared somewhere else also

i I think that was last time DCA had 6”+ all 4 months DJFM 

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24 minutes ago, frd said:

Thought Ninas were front loaded. 

Not recently. Best periods have been early Jan (2017-18) and also late winter- March 2018. Also much of Jan 2022, with multiple snow events.

The CFS has been pretty consistent with the -EPO idea, esp for the mid to latter part of winter.

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1 hour ago, CAPE said:

Not recently. Best periods have been early Jan (2017-18) and also late winter- March 2018. Also much of Jan 2022, with multiple snow events.

The CFS has been pretty consistent with the -EPO idea, esp for the mid to latter part of winter.

22-23 the only remotely workable pattern we got was mid-late December and we missed on the big storm that kicked it off. And that was all she wrote…

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7 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

22-23 the only remotely workable pattern we got was mid-late December and we missed on the big storm that kicked it off. And that was all she wrote…

Oh, you mean the 30 minutes of a cold blast right before Christmas, that only slightly interrupted very warm conditions before and after!! :lol:

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23 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

22-23 the only remotely workable pattern we got was mid-late December and we missed on the big storm that kicked it off. And that was all she wrote…

Jan 3, 2022-  8 inches of snow and drifting.

Jan 7, 2022 - 3 inches snow.

Jan. 17, 2022 - 8.5 inches snow.

Jan. 28  - 1.3" snow

Feb. 13  - 2.0" snow

March 12 - 3.0" snow

21-22 gave me above normal snowfall !!

How about this, guys?

 

 

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3 hours ago, Terpeast said:

Just some fun speculation… maybe Feb will be the cold month this time? Not the first time CFS hinted this

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I can see it now. The Feb long range will be called “Feb will be rocking!” for a third year in a row and it’ll be yet another rug pull instead.

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4 hours ago, frd said:

Thought Ninas were front loaded. 

This may not even qualify as a nina if ONI stays weak, even though MEI/RONI are already in nina territory. 

both Nov and Dec look torchy, and I don’t see any decent chances for wintry weather in the MA until late Dec and thereafter. 

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This may not even qualify as a nina if ONI stays weak, even though MEI/RONI are already in nina territory. 
both Nov and Dec look torchy, and I don’t see any decent chances for wintry weather in the MA until late Dec and thereafter. 

There is a chance mjo goes into favorable phase by Dec 20. The pattern can’t stay like this forever. Cfs has flipped between liking January and February almost daily lol but most runs like one month
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5 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Pssh not even that long...Day 10 at the latest! We saw can kicks happen two weeks out...so you almost wonder if it's better to just go from discreet threat to discreet threat!

thats how i am approaching this winter. ensembles out to 360 hours. We are currently in the hide the kids and shut the blinds mode. We got 40 days to fix this

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On 11/4/2024 at 8:49 PM, Ji said:


There is a chance mjo goes into favorable phase by Dec 20. The pattern can’t stay like this forever. Cfs has flipped between liking January and February almost daily lol but most runs like one month

No, but it will probably stay mostly this way until the PDO comes back towards less ridiculous territory and there is no sign of that happening at all.  If the PDO were to actually stay in the -3 area all winter I could see this being a no winter year.  Not just no snow...but a winter that is just a prolonged October with highs in 60s many days.  

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32 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

No, but it will probably stay mostly this way until the PDO comes back towards less ridiculous territory and there is no sign of that happening at all.  If the PDO were to actually stay in the -3 area all winter I could see this being a no winter year.  Not just no snow...but a winter that is just a prolonged October with highs in 60s many days.  

You mean it needs to be cold for it to snow?  Until we get a seasonable pattern and actual storms, it's logically challenging to argue with your analysis.

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6 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

No, but it will probably stay mostly this way until the PDO comes back towards less ridiculous territory and there is no sign of that happening at all.  If the PDO were to actually stay in the -3 area all winter I could see this being a no winter year.  Not just no snow...but a winter that is just a prolonged October with highs in 60s many days.  

I think our only hope, and it's a long shot, is some sort of odd interaction between the anomalous PDO and the QBO that might lead to the poleward expansion of the C Pac ridge, leading to this being one of the "good Ninas" you have mentioned.  Even then though we would be fighting against cold-dry/warm-wet.  But I'd rather have that than a 6 month fall.

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