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3 minutes ago, Holston_River_Rambler said:

I think that one just formed and raced poleward. But yeah maybe a similar track. May be driving to Kingsport tomorrow AM. Could be fun. Hopefully I survive if I end up going! 

If u need help, give me a shout.  Saw is ready to go if needed.

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2 minutes ago, Holston_River_Rambler said:

Was just reading in the main tropical thread that recon had to abort from the eye due to an extreme updraft. Apparently similar wording was used for Hugo? Of course extreme updrafts in hurricane eyes may be pretty normal too. 

That is wild.

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48 minutes ago, Carvers Gap said:

@Holston_River_Rambleranother interesting analog might be the superstorm of ‘93.  Similar origin, track, and strength.   Wonder if it had a low to the west?

I've actually been thinking about this one. The resulting derecho in the Gulf produced a high storm surge at Cedar Key, FL (9.5 ft). Cedar Key is also expecting some of the worst of the surge from this one.

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Per Hunter Ward on FB re: Asheville and the French Broad:

NOAA is now projecting the second highest crest of the French Broad River ever recorded in the Asheville area. It is projected tomorrow morning to be at 19.4', less than 4' off the record crest of 1916. Please move to higher ground if you live near the French Broad River. See image 2 for impacts projected with a crest of 19'.

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I can't remember seeing a storm rapidly strengthen and move this fast at the same time. It's moving 24mph. It's probably going to land soon. On the positive side, if there is one, areas won't have to sit under the eye wall for a huge amount of time. It's gonna move in and move on in a few hours. 

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I’m really curious of the wind aspect for all of us. I surely hope the model projections are too high. This is just an extremely rare situation with flooding rains for 2 days, full leaves, and then the potential for 50-60+mph gusts.

I wonder how the typical mountain wave locations will fair. @Math/Met ?

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11 minutes ago, 1234snow said:

I’m really curious of the wind aspect for all of us. I surely hope the model projections are too high. This is just an extremely rare situation with flooding rains for 2 days, full leaves, and then the potential for 50-60+mph gusts.

I wonder how the typical mountain wave locations will fair. @Math/Met ?

He might be working tonight.   @Math/Met, what ya got?

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Finally getting on shore. 939 with 140mph winds at landfall. 

Had light rain for the last hour. Looks like a very heavy band is working it's way up from Knoxville right now. I've had 1.45 inches of rain since midnight. That looks heavy enough to probably put down .25 to .5 by 11:59 assuming it stays juiced.  

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National Weather Service Morristown TN
956 PM EDT Thu Sep 26 2024

...New UPDATE...

.UPDATE...
Issued at 943 PM EDT Thu Sep 26 2024

Key Messages:

1. Flooding risk remains overnight and into Friday morning. There
is an increased risk for flash flooding near Hamilton, Marion, and
Sequatchie Counties where a heavier band of rainfall is expected
to train.

2. Strong 40+ mph wind gusts expected area-wide. Wind gusts over
60 mph will be possible in the Knoxville metro area and to the
northeast across the Tri-Cities region and southwest Virginia.
Higher elevations of the mountains and foothills may see wind
gusts over 80 mph.

3. These strong winds, when combined with saturated soils, will
likely result in widespread downed trees and power outages. Be
prepared for prolonged power outages.

Discussion:

This is a historic setup for the Southern Appalachians that we
haven`t seen in decades. Major Hurricane Helene will make landfall
over the next couple of hours along the Big Bend region of
Florida.

Helene will quickly move inland and weaken, but its remnants will
enter our forecast area only about 12 hours after landfall
because of the quick forward speed. That means the strong pressure
gradient and associated wind field will still be very intense
across portions of the Tennessee Valley and Southern Appalachians.
Due to the extratropical transition, the strongest winds will be
on the eastern side of the track. This means the highest
probability of 60+ mph wind gusts will be near the Knoxville metro
and to the northeast. Even valley locations around Knoxville,
Morristown, and the Tri- Cities may see wind gusts of 60 to 70 mph
on Friday morning through the early afternoon. Locations near the
low pressure center track that don`t see the strong 60+ mph wind
gusts will likely still see wind gusts of at least 40 mph. Ridge
tops will likely see the strongest wind gusts. Combine these winds
with saturated soils with trees full of leaves, and widespread
downed trees are expected. Widespread power outages will likely be
the result with the potential for prolonged power outages.

In addition to high winds, PW values are over 2.0 inches across
the southern valley and southern plateau. There is a convergent
region around Chattanooga that will result in heavy rain late
tonight through Friday morning with a band of up to 3 to 6 inches
of rain in a 6 hour period. Where this band sets up will have the
potential for flash flooding on Friday morning. The flooding and
river flooding risk continues area-wide with several rivers at
flood stage or forecast to rise to flood stage overnight and into
Friday.
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Just got an alert for the High Wind warning again, appears they reissued it at 10:45 for the valley counties and raised the gust speed by 5 mph. Original warning said 60 Mph, new warning says 65 Mph. Strange to me to reissue for 5 Mph change in warn parameter.

Edit:

Scratch that the original was for 65 as well, still not really sure why they reissued the warning again.



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It was kind of odd as it rolled in.  Before we got any wind working its way down, you could hear a steady hum just above the tree tops.  Winds have increased over the past thirty minutes.  It is similar to a really windy day after a front comes through, but the worst is still approaching from the southeast.  Winds are out of the east, gusting to 30-35mph so far.  It just comes in waves.  Power is blinking on and off.  I will be really surprised if it stays on......

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Questions for those using Radascope:

1). How accurate is the storm accumulation mode? I don’t believe the amounts it’s showing for my area3ca3ac2b9b9c08e675143479de203f38.jpg


2). For measuring wind, is it best to use Velocity or Storm Relative Velocity? I’m not trusting the gust near Holston Hills CC.


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Yes one reason they can even do hurricane recon is that the majority of the kinetic energy is horizontal. Yeah 140 mph in this case! Of course they get both vertical and horizontal turbulence. 

Usually even the eye wall does not have the vertical velocity of say a raging Plains supercell. Hot towers do though. And they are going to get roughed up by horizonal wind anyway. Add the vertical bumps and it's too much even for those hunters. 

12 hours ago, Holston_River_Rambler said:

Was just reading in the main tropical thread that recon had to abort from the eye due to an extreme updraft. Apparently similar wording was used for Hugo? Of course extreme updrafts in hurricane eyes may be pretty normal too. 
 

https://x.com/erin_kwx/status/1839453447902433339?s=46&t=KMZWtmm9xSWkLJtvZXn39g

edit to add the link to that x post 

Getting brief wind gusts to 25 mph at my house. Mostly just vertical moderate rain. Ben raining all night. 

Back to something @Carvers Gap wrote about the wind above the trees, I fully expected that last night but not much in Chatty. Usually at night for me, but yeah it's a thing with fall and winter systems, and then the LLJ spring systems. 

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Was just reading in the main tropical thread that recon had to abort from the eye due to an extreme updraft. Apparently similar wording was used for Hugo? Of course extreme updrafts in hurricane eyes may be pretty normal too. 
 
https://x.com/erin_kwx/status/1839453447902433339?s=46&t=KMZWtmm9xSWkLJtvZXn39g
edit to add the link to that x post 

Update on this - they were releasing drones and monitoring them. I saw that on the main Helene storm page, as well as on Ryan Halls broadcast last night


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