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  On 7/16/2024 at 9:24 PM, Jns2183 said:

There definitely is a longer term trend, but it is less drastic than people make it out to be. It's also unclear if and how much it may be related to longer term cycles. People don't handle year to year variability well.

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I agree but we had trends back in the 1980s now trends in the 2020s years 

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  On 7/16/2024 at 9:47 PM, paweather said:

I agree but we had trends back in the 1980s now trends in the 2020s years 

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Here is a graph of MDT summer days that stayed 74 or below for Max daily temps. Some ups and downs but the trend line is down.  This was created using 10 year moving averages to make the line easier to read and see trends vs bumps.  There was a resurgence of sort from the 70's-90's before it started dropping to its current historical all-time low.   The 10 year moving average is down to 4 now whereas it never got below 7 before 2014. 

 

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  On 7/16/2024 at 9:57 PM, Bubbler86 said:
Here is a graph of MDT summer days that stayed 74 or below for Max daily temps. Some ups and downs but the trend line is down.  This was created using 10 year moving averages to make the line easier to read and see trends vs bumps.  There was a resurgence of sort from the 70's-90's before it started dropping to its current historical all-time low.   The 10 year moving average is down to 4 now whereas it never got below 7 before 2014. 
 
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It might just inversely mirror the mean temp rise over the years

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  On 7/16/2024 at 10:29 PM, Jns2183 said:

It might just inversely mirror the mean temp rise over the years

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We could throw several graphs out, I picked the previous one because of my original comment about 74 in July.  Here is the Mean.  The high points (blue dots) since 1990'ish really drive this one home.   Unprecedented except your favorite year in the 60's. 

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  On 7/16/2024 at 10:33 PM, Bubbler86 said:
We could throw several graphs out, I picked the previous one because of my original comment about 74 in July.  Here is the Mean.
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So it looks like a pretty good match for inverse trend. As the mean temp has risen the trend for days at or below 74 has fallen at just about same pace

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  On 7/16/2024 at 10:35 PM, Jns2183 said:

So it looks like a pretty good match for inverse trend. As the mean temp has risen the trend for days at or below 74 has fallen at just about same pace

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Yep, even down to trend change for a bit from the late 70's to the early 90's.   The high point trend confirms the overall trend.

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  On 7/16/2024 at 10:39 PM, Bubbler86 said:
Yep, even down to trend change for a bit from the late 70's to the early 90's.   The high point trend confirms the overall trend.
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I think what would be interesting would be downloading the hourly observations for that KMDT time period that I currently have the daily summaries for. Extract just the July observations. Filter out any days that have measurable precipitation for 6 hours between the hours of 6am to 6pm. Then find the max temperature distribution for the remaining days.

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  On 7/16/2024 at 11:35 PM, Itstrainingtime said:
According to this...you don't belong on team drought Bubbler (or my team, for that matter)
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I just looked up 1966. From May 1st through July 31st we had 1.86". Through August 31st 3.39".

Also I think @canderson has lowest rain total of anyone since June 1st. I believe it's well below 1"

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  On 7/16/2024 at 11:40 PM, Jns2183 said:

I just looked up 1966. From May 1st through July 31st we had 1.86". Through August 31st 3.39".

Also I think @canderson has lowest rain total of anyone since June 1st. I believe it's well below 1"

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Incorrect - he had almost double what I've had since June 1st coming into today. 

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