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NYC/PHL Dec 26-27 Potential - Part 7


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Too bad there is a lot of dry air to overcome there is a 11 degrees temperature / dew point spread here.

There has been a flurrie in my skywarn net just spoke to an observer in morris county in the area

of hanover twp.

If it flurried at all here I missed it, so to my experience that is/was all virga. :lol:

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These storms always arrive and depart faster than modeled...

12/19 didnt last year, it depends on atmosphere moisture levels and boundary layer moisture, also if you have a big high to the north you get early overrunning...in this case we don't have the high to the north but we're going to be relatively moist coming in so we'll likely avoid any extensive virga problems

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Cannot say for sure that will happen but it is a possibility that must be considered. Again it would be a matter of how much of a shift if it where to occur. Unless it is a rather significant one at this short time range I would suspect most all of NJ would still get warning level snows. Eastern PA would probably be the ones in store for a more significant drop in totals. Again that is only if it happens. The other option and probably less likely is to come even a little bit further west and bring in the threat of mixing of coastal areas and parts of LI along with perhaps a dryslot issue. At this point its time to watch the system come together in real time and watch the short range mesoscale models.

They're actually talking about this new progressive trend in the New England thread, and I agree it's definitely possible someone near or just west of the Delaware River gets the shaft if it continues. It won't take a lot but these kind of late developing coastal bombs always have a very sharp western snow edge, and it can go from 1-2" to over 10" in less than 50 miles. I think if you're east of the Delaware you're fine for now given how deep the storm is projected to become. It's hard for me to imagine a storm tucked just south of Block Island missing anyone in New Jersey. The models may have overcorrected a touch last night.

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Media mets/outlets better start pushing this story. I've talked to more than a few people today and no one has any clue of anything more than a chance of flurries from Thursdays forecast. Most local TV news wont be broadcast until tonight because of the holiday. (Who watches CNN on Christmas?)

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They're actually talking about this new progressive trend in the New England thread, and I agree it's definitely possible someone near or just west of the Delaware River gets the shaft if it continues. It won't take a lot but these kind of late developing coastal bombs always have a very sharp western snow edge, and it can go from 1-2" to over 10" in less than 50 miles. I think if you're east of the Delaware you're fine for now given how deep the storm is projected to become. It's hard for me to imagine a storm tucked just south of Block Island missing anyone in New Jersey. The models may have overcorrected a touch last night.

Yeah, this is why I really like our location.

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No need at this point to put blizzard watches out and scare everyone. Most of the general public has no idea what the difference is between a blizzard warning and winter storm warning is anyway. Last years event which brought the blizzard warnings started off as all WSW except on LI. I thought the WSW came out 6 hours later than it should have, especially from the Jersey shore on northeast. Many people woke up this morning and since its Christmas won't turn on the TV until afternoon at best. This storm might be best spread by people traveling in their cars and hearing it come over the radio.

Only problem is that most radio DJs are home for Christmas, and most of the stations are playing commercial free automated Christmas music.

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They're actually talking about this new progressive trend in the New England thread, and I agree it's definitely possible someone near or just west of the Delaware River gets the shaft if it continues. It won't take a lot but these kind of late developing coastal bombs always have a very sharp western snow edge, and it can go from 1-2" to over 10" in less than 50 miles. I think if you're east of the Delaware you're fine for now given how deep the storm is projected to become. It's hard for me to imagine a storm tucked just south of Block Island missing anyone in New Jersey. The models may have overcorrected a touch last night.

Valid points and I agree that is a distinct possibility we must keep and eye on. This really has little room to come more west then the recent GFS runs but if definitely has room to move east some and as you described that could have a major effect on some peoples end result. Coastal areas look just about golden. Rest of NJ looks good though far western areas and NW NJ may suffer a fate of dissapointment if the east idea unfolds in such a way.

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They're actually talking about this new progressive trend in the New England thread, and I agree it's definitely possible someone near or just west of the Delaware River gets the shaft if it continues. It won't take a lot but these kind of late developing coastal bombs always have a very sharp western snow edge, and it can go from 1-2" to over 10" in less than 50 miles. I think if you're east of the Delaware you're fine for now given how deep the storm is projected to become. It's hard for me to imagine a storm tucked just south of Block Island missing anyone in New Jersey. The models may have overcorrected a touch last night.

When you say progressive, do you mean the storm might not stall out or do you mean the location of the heaviest snow bands will be progressive?

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Dude, we're going to get absolutely blitzkrieged here if the low deepens like projected. I'm almost certain we get into some of the 3-4" per hour banding we saw last 12/19 and 12/30/00. I'm really hoping for thunder again, and there's a good shot at it.

I agree - espcially based upon the latest MM5

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They're actually talking about this new progressive trend in the New England thread, and I agree it's definitely possible someone near or just west of the Delaware River gets the shaft if it continues. It won't take a lot but these kind of late developing coastal bombs always have a very sharp western snow edge, and it can go from 1-2" to over 10" in less than 50 miles. I think if you're east of the Delaware you're fine for now given how deep the storm is projected to become. It's hard for me to imagine a storm tucked just south of Block Island missing anyone in New Jersey. The models may have overcorrected a touch last night.

I believe thats why Mt Holly is going conservative about the snow totals 40 miles from the coast.

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When you say progressive, do you mean the storm might not stall out or do you mean the location of the heaviest snow bands will be progressive?

The storm is looking more N-S oriented now on the modelling and the GFS cut down very significantly on DC/Balt's precip as well as east central PA. I feel bad for those guys because of the nature of these kind of storms and the fact there's almost no margin for error in terms of being in the really heavy snow vs. no snow and just clouds. I know if I were in State College now (although they were never in the game to begin with) I'd be screaming certain expletives at my monitor. Someone(s) from around DC up to maybe west of Allentown/Port Jervis is going to get a lot of heartbreak and it sucks.

For us though, still 100% game on. :snowman:

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