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NYC/PHL Dec 26-27 Potential - Part 7


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I think a general 10-18" for the region sounds good.

And yeah, I'm happy that the 12z GFS nudged a bit east...I do want not another Feb 2006 scenario, where the super-band sets up to our west, and we get the mid-level dry-slot.

I think the only areas that will have to worry about mixing at all will be E LI and SE CT...I don't think we would ever mix, but I still do have some dry-slot fears in the back of my mind...though the dry-slot will probably stay to our east, considering I think the 6z GFS is probably too far west, and it nudged a bit east at 12z.

Hey Doug-- you must be glad to be back home for this one! So this thing is supposed to stall out 50 miles off the Jersey Coast instead of 25 miles like what the 6z GFS had? Let's just keep it there lol.

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Yep....if you're in western Montco/Chester/Berks/Schuylkill/Lancaster, etc. there's going to be a gradient somewhere in there between 2" and 8" over 20-25 miles... :(

True, lets face it, this is a monster storm for coastal areas, not us inland. I'm happy for those folks too...I'd have no problem with 4-8 inches of snow back this far west.

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Highly doubt LI or coastal NJ jackpots with snow totals... They may jackpot with total QPF but areas like HPN...SWF will most likely jackpot with snow totals due to ridiculous ratios..

Yeah you can have your 30-35 inches as long as I can have 20".... deal?! :P

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Hey Doug-- you must be glad to be back home for this one! So this thing is supposed to stall out 50 miles off the Jersey Coast instead of 25 miles like what the 6z GFS had? Let's just keep it there lol.

Yeah, that's honestly what I envision. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Rutgers gets more snow than us, if the banding sets up along I-95, but either way, I am very glad to be home!

And if you recall, even for December 19th last year, the models had a last-minute "nudge" east, which put LI in the jackpot, even though the entire area was originally forecasted to have the same QPF. We don't quite have the blocking that that event did, however we do have the La Nina, and I think there is a reason why the 12z GFS nudged a bit east. However, I don't really see it shifting much more east than the 12z GFS at all...I think the 12z GFS, as a whole, looks very reasonable.

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Thank goodness I have a great Girlfriend who lets me hit refresh every 5 seconds here without complaining.

I'm getting psyched, now food wise, when do the major food stores reopen?

Again, a second shout out to Jefflaw, something about those wrap around snows that put down inches more after we have all shoveled our paths...but instead of his Monday 10AM to 3PM wish, I'd take it to Tuesday morning 6AM

Life Jeff understands, Nass cnty has seemed to miss out a bit on the big wallops.

Here's to this one being a record setting one from Mineola to Long Beach.

I'll be up till 4AM later tonight then get 3 hours sleep and then I'm a go.

I'm just trying to differentiate between realistic QPF and fantasy QPF.

Jeff...what was that date for Central Park breaking theior 1947 record.? I remember them getting those bands at the end that smashed the records.

Also, any guess as to when we go completely overcast?

My fantasy: 20-30 inches within a 30 hour time frame with minimal lulls and drifts that reach my five foot fence.

Jeff

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It would appear to my very uneducated eye- (so correct me if i am wrong) - the MM5 is about 35-50 miles further east at the 30th hour as compared to the 42nd hour from the 00z lastnight..

It is but from 27-30 its motion appears to go from being 040-050 to more around 020 or so, so it begins turning more NNE after 27 hours.

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heart breaker to sent in for weenies west of the garden state parkway? if indeed according to snowgoose models start shifting east again? lol

It shouldn't be a big deal...I could see if shifting about 25 miles east of where the 12z GFS has it. I expect the NAM to continue trending west, honestly, and the SREFs to nudge a bit east.

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Yeah, that's honestly what I envision. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Rutgers gets more snow than us, if the banding sets up along I-95, but either way, I am very glad to be home!

And if you recall, even for December 19th last year, the models had a last-minute "nudge" east, which put LI in the jackpot, even though the entire area was originally forecasted to have the same QPF. We don't quite have the blocking that that event did, however we do have the La Nina, and I think there is a reason why the 12z GFS nudged a bit east. However, I don't really see it shifting much more east than the 12z GFS at all...I think the 12z GFS, as a whole, looks very reasonable.

I definitely like the fact that the NAM doubled Nassau County's QPF at 12z (and HPC said the NAM isn't deep enough with the trough), and the trough looks so deep at this point. We're going to get absolutely smoked, whether we're the jackpot or not. This really could be a 12/19/09 or 12/30/00 type dynamic and explosive system.

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It shouldn't be a big deal...I could see if shifting about 25 miles east of where the 12z GFS has it. I expect the NAM to continue trending west, honestly, and the SREFs to nudge a bit east.

Yeah, I think all of us west of I-95 need to realize this ain't "our" storm....be happy with enough snow to shovel and let our friends to the northeast enjoy getting buried under 10-20 inches of snow.

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Where are you located?? the 2/6/06 storm put down 26+ inches in nyc.. I only got about 15-17" if that in western suffolk... The mega band didn't make it east to LI

Thank goodness I have a great Girlfriend who lets me hit refresh every 5 seconds here without complaining.

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I'm getting psyched, now food wise, when do the major food stores reopen?

Again, a second shout out to Jefflaw, something about those wrap around snows that put down inches more after we have all shoveled our paths...but instead of his Monday 10AM to 3PM wish, I'd take it to Tuesday morning 6AM

Life Jeff understands, Nass cnty has seemed to miss out a bit on the big wallops.

Here's to this one being a record setting one from Mineola to Long Beach.

I'll be up till 4AM later tonight then get 3 hours sleep and then I'm a go.

I'm just trying to differentiate between realistic QPF and fantasy QPF.

Jeff...what was that date for Central Park breaking theior 1947 record.? I remember them getting those bands at the end that smashed the records.

Also, any guess as to when we go completely overcast?

My fantasy: 20-30 inches within a 30 hour time frame with minimal lulls and drifts that reach my five foot fence.

Jeff

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I definitely like the fact that the NAM doubled Nassau County's QPF at 12z (and HPC said the NAM isn't deep enough with the trough), and the trough looks so deep at this point. We're going to get absolutely smoked, whether we're the jackpot or not. This really could be a 12/19/09 or 12/30/00 type dynamic and explosive system.

I'm telling you now the NAM is going to spit out some sort of insane QPF on its 18z run, it always does that on the 18 run 24 hours out...always..

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I definitely like the fact that the NAM doubled Nassau County's QPF at 12z (and HPC said the NAM isn't deep enough with the trough), and the trough looks so deep at this point. We're going to get absolutely smoked, whether we're the jackpot or not. This really could be a 12/19/09 or 12/30/00 type dynamic and explosive system.

Yeah, could you imagine what the Millenium storm would have done if it stalled out like this one could?

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heart breaker to sent in for weenies west of the garden state parkway? if indeed according to snowgoose models start shifting east again? lol

Cannot say for sure that will happen but it is a possibility that must be considered. Again it would be a matter of how much of a shift if it where to occur. Unless it is a rather significant one at this short time range I would suspect most all of NJ would still get warning level snows. Eastern PA would probably be the ones in store for a more significant drop in totals. Again that is only if it happens. The other option and probably less likely is to come even a little bit further west and bring in the threat of mixing of coastal areas and parts of LI along with perhaps a dryslot issue. At this point its time to watch the system come together in real time and watch the short range mesoscale models.

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