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Late Feb/March Medium/Long Range Discussion


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1 hour ago, Weather Will said:

Not giving up until the models do another 180 like they did for late February.  But this time is different ...the ensembles and extended guidance are more in sync.  What do I mean by that....the gradual return to cold ( I know it may not be cold enough, is showing up late in the ensemble runs.  The EPO is tanking and the other teleconnections are lining up as we end the third week of March which could give us the Arctic air we need,  The extended EPS snow mean, not control, keeps increasing (WB). Latest run compared to 13 runs ago.  And the MJO is moving into less hostile phases.Will it happen, probably not, but I am not completely crazy; will be the first to admit when Lucy strikes again and kills it.

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I honestly didn't take you for a masochist.   I wanna see your bedroom closet. 

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1 hour ago, Weather Will said:

I am being sincere..., I know a late March snow would be an historic event, but it can happen.  Oh and I am no troll, only trolls I know are in Tolkien land....

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There’s nothing historic about a late March snow event

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3 hours ago, stormy said:

I am very surprised that a supposed professional would say its over on March 4.

i am very surprised that someone who routinely dismisses out of hand reams of empirical evidence and actual data about the planet's climate doesn't understand why he would make such a claim.

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4 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

Agreed. That 65 degrees felt really nice today. But we usually get some flakes at least once in March. I wouldnt be shocked. 

I know, I'm pretty batshyte crazy right now but I'm in, if there is a chance for snow in the Mid Atlantic in March. I guess I am pretty happy from watching 39 inches of snow get blown around by 125mph winds on a camera at Mammoth the last 4 days lol.

If this can happen - Let's bring this one HOME! Use the Force!

Let's track this to death! Let's see if we can salvage some snow in the Mid Atlantic!

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5 hours ago, CAPE said:

The Ji-WW alliance lol.

We are gonna start a new thread. It will be entitled, "The Ji-WW Alliance Snowstorm: Our Last Great White Hope"

After what I saw at Mammoth thru a camera for 4 days, I am officially batshyte crazy about 190 mph blizzards with 4-10 feet of snow in the Sierra.

Or about any snow we can get in March in the DMV.

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Here are the better than median March-April's for Baltimore

T<=32 is days with mean T of 32 or below

Snowfall in inches

MECSb is (Daily_Snowfall - 5")

D>1" is days with 1" or more of snow on the ground.  

While it's likely over for the lowlands, we have had some memorable months of March including 3 with > 20" of snow in the Baltimore area. 

It's hard to fathom that more than half of the days in March 1960 had mean temperatures of 32 or less. 

March 2014 also shows up - I remember my son chipping ice at a dock so they could begin the crew season. 

Baltimore
 Rank    YEAR        T<=32   Snow  MECSb  D>1"  Points   Grade    PCTL
    1       1959-1960    17.0    21.6     5.1    13.0    56.7     A++     100
    2       1941-1942     0.0    22.2    17.0     3.0    42.2      A-      99
    3       1933-1934     8.0    14.0     1.0    10.0    33.0      B       98
    4       1923-1924     0.0    21.4     5.8     4.0    31.2      B-      98
    5       1992-1993     5.0    12.7     6.3     7.0    31.0      B-      97
    6       1895-1896     5.0    13.8     1.0     9.0    28.8      B-      96
    7       1961-1962     6.0    13.6     5.0     4.0    28.6      B-      95
    8       1905-1906    10.0    11.2     0.0     7.0    28.2      B-      95
    9       2013-2014    11.0    12.1     0.0     4.0    27.1      C+      94
   10       1913-1914     7.0    11.6     0.0     7.0    25.6      C+      93
   11       1940-1941     5.0    12.1     1.0     7.0    25.1      C+      92
   12       1908-1909     3.0    11.7     5.2     4.0    23.9      C       92
   13       1936-1937     2.0    14.7     1.0     6.0    23.7      C       91
   14       1977-1978     8.0     8.5     0.0     6.0    22.5      C       90
   15       1899-1900     5.0     9.5     0.0     8.0    22.5      C       89
   16       1957-1958     1.0    13.7     0.0     7.0    21.7      C       88
   17       1963-1964     1.0    13.6     4.7     2.0    21.3      C       88
   18       1942-1943     4.0    14.7     0.0     2.0    20.7      C       87
   19       1943-1944     6.0     8.6     0.0     6.0    20.6      C       86
   20       1915-1916    10.0     7.9     0.0     2.0    19.9      C-      85
 Rank            YEAR   T<=32    Snow   MECSb    D>1"  Points   Grade    PCTL
   21       2014-2015     5.0     7.7     1.2     4.0    17.9      C-      85
   22       1910-1911     5.0     8.4     1.2     3.0    17.6      C-      84
   23       1911-1912     7.0     8.5     0.0     2.0    17.5      C-      83
   24       1998-1999     4.0     7.6     0.0     5.0    16.6      C-      82
   25       1995-1996     7.0     7.6     0.0     2.0    16.6      C-      82
   26       1906-1907     4.0     7.7     1.6     3.0    16.3      C-      81
   27       1955-1956     4.0     7.8     0.4     4.0    16.2      C-      80
   28       1983-1984     6.0     6.1     0.0     4.0    16.1      C-      79
   29       1930-1931     0.0    10.0     3.3     2.0    15.3      D+      78
   30       1922-1923     5.0     7.3     1.0     2.0    15.3      D+      78
   31       2016-2017     8.0     2.3     0.0     4.0    14.3      D+      77
   32       1951-1952     3.0     7.0     1.0     3.0    14.0      D+      76
   33       1968-1969     3.0     7.8     0.0     3.0    13.8      D+      75
   34       2008-2009     4.0     5.8     0.0     4.0    13.8      D+      75
   35       1979-1980     4.0     5.7     0.0     4.0    13.7      D+      74
   36       1964-1965     3.0     8.4     0.0     2.0    13.4      D+      73
   37       1931-1932     8.0     3.2     0.0     2.0    13.2      D+      72
   38       2002-2003     5.0     2.6     0.0     5.0    12.6      D+      72
   39       1975-1976     0.0     7.8     2.8     2.0    12.6      D+      71
   40       1914-1915     0.0     9.5     0.0     3.0    12.5      D+      70
 Rank            YEAR   T<=32    Snow   MECSb    D>1"  Points   Grade    PCTL
   41       1967-1968     3.0     5.3     0.0     2.0    10.3      D       69
   42       1993-1994     3.0     4.2     0.0     3.0    10.2      D       68
   43       1919-1920     4.0     2.4     0.0     3.0     9.4      D       68
   44       1901-1902     2.0     5.0     0.0     2.0     9.0      D       67
   45       2017-2018     0.0     6.7     0.0     2.0     8.7      D       66
   46       1952-1953     3.0     3.6     0.0     2.0     8.6      D       65
   47       2004-2005     5.0     0.4     0.0     3.0     8.4      D       65
   48       1916-1917     2.0     5.2     0.0     1.0     8.2      D       64
   49       1937-1938     1.0     5.0     0.0     2.0     8.0      D       63
   50       1893-1894     1.0     5.0     0.0     2.0     8.0      D       62
   51       1946-1947     1.0     2.8     0.0     4.0     7.8      D-      62
   52       2006-2007     4.0     1.6     0.0     2.0     7.6      D-      61
   53       1925-1926     7.0     0.6     0.0     0.0     7.6      D-      60
   54       2018-2019     3.0     2.7     0.0     1.0     6.7      D-      59
   55       1966-1967     4.0     2.5     0.0     0.0     6.5      D-      58
   56       1939-1940     4.0     1.8     0.0     0.0     5.8      D-      58
   57       1898-1899     3.0     1.6     0.0     1.0     5.6      D-      57
   58       1932-1933     2.0     2.5     0.0     1.0     5.5      D-      56
   59       2012-2013     0.0     3.2     0.0     2.0     5.2      D-      55
   60       1974-1975     4.0     1.2     0.0     0.0     5.2      D-      55
 Rank            YEAR   T<=32    Snow   MECSb    D>1"  Points   Grade    PCTL
   61       1997-1998     3.0     2.1     0.0     0.0     5.1      D-      54
   62       1991-1992     5.0     0.0     0.0     0.0     5.0      D-      53
   63       1985-1986     5.0     0.0     0.0     0.0     5.0      D-      52
   64       1969-1970     3.0     1.9     0.0     0.0     4.9      D-      52
   65       1989-1990     1.0     2.8     0.0     1.0     4.8      D-      51
   66       1954-1955     3.0     1.2     0.0     0.0     4.2      D-      50
 

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8 hours ago, Jebman said:

We are gonna start a new thread. It will be entitled, "The Ji-WW Alliance Snowstorm: Our Last Great White Hope"

After what I saw at Mammoth thru a camera for 4 days, I am officially batshyte crazy about 190 mph blizzards with 4-10 feet of snow in the Sierra.

Or about any snow we can get in March in the DMV.

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18 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

Are you questioning his legitimacy as a meteorologist?   

Absolutely not!  I have confidence that the screening is adequate to eliminate counterfeit red taggers.  Supposed was a poor choice of words.

I am very surprised that someone with his obvious knowledge would seriously suggest on March 4 that "its over"  except 3000' +.   We are at least a month away from making that statement, even at 2000'.

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1 hour ago, stormy said:

Absolutely not!  I have confidence that the screening is adequate to eliminate counterfeit red taggers.  Supposed was a poor choice of words.

I am very surprised that someone with his obvious knowledge would seriously suggest on March 4 that "its over"  except 3000' +.   We are at least a month away from making that statement, even at 2000'.

Maybe we could get into the weeds on the exact details, but you know 99% of the people in this forum don't live at 2000 feet either.  The gist of his point, that for almost everyone in here it's over...is probably accurate.  Weather is crazy, and ridiculous things can sometimes happen...the Palm Sunday storm wasn't even in a cold pattern it was just some crazy Norlun trough setup but its the only example of that in 150 years of records.   Could something like that happen again, sure, but I don't see his statement the same way. There is always the chance of something like that, its never 0 chance, but for the lowlands in here the chances are now too low to be worth tracking everyday and getting excited.  

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There are hints that perhaps there could be more arctic air involved in the pattern after March 20 or so...but so much would have to go perfectly at that point for it to matter.  There is a reason there are VERY few examples of significant snow that late in the DC Baltimore area.  For places with higher elevations, you know who you are, there are somewhat better chances late March and early April.  

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1 minute ago, psuhoffman said:

There are hints that perhaps there could be more arctic air involved in the pattern after March 20 or so...but so much would have to go perfectly at that point for it to matter.  There is a reason there are VERY few examples of significant snow that late in the DC Baltimore area.  For places with higher elevations, you know who you are, there are somewhat better chances late March and early April.  

IF there were to be a weird late season event, this would be the pattern needed to get it done

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