wdrag Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 7 hours ago, USCG RS said: Thank you for all of this valuable information. It is greatly appreciated and something I will no doubt study more in depth to add to my repertoire. @wdrag I hope your grandchild is feeling better. Also, you mentioned something about a conference call? I can do a conference call sometime mutually convenient to demo these tools... just need to set it up. The set up not my skill but then I can demo live how to use these two links and also go over Pivotal wx use of posi snow depth. We just need an event. Thanks - grandchild doing ok... Will add a couple maps of yesterdays snowfall during midday and also back to P1 thread initiation to compare to the ensemble predictions. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 14 hours ago, RU848789 said: Snow ratio time. I thought it was 15-20:1, but we actually got 22:1 - damn! Got 11798 cc of snow melted down to just 530 cc of liquid, so the 11.25" was only 0.5" QPF. So somehow in what has been a crappy winter for many we've overperformed on almost every storm... the 11.25" yesterday brings me to 24.5" for the season which is actually ahead of normal for this date. It's just nuts that we're 17" ahead of CPK, just 25 miles to our NE. I'll take it and run lol. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, RU848789 said: So somehow in what has been a crappy winter for many we've overperformed on almost every storm... the 11.25" yesterday brings me to 24.5" for the season which is actually ahead of normal for this date. It's just nuts that we're 17" ahead of CPK, just 25 miles to our NE. I'll take it and run lol. I'm sure you were similarly ahead of NYC in 1986-87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 13 hours ago, Allsnow said: Pretty! Glad you got some snow! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Just now, michsnowfreak said: Pretty! Glad you got some snow! Thank you. It’s not very often my area hits the jackpot in an event. Normally north of this location. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 15 hours ago, RU848789 said: Snow ratio time. I thought it was 15-20:1, but we actually got 22:1 - damn! Got 11798 cc of snow melted down to just 530 cc of liquid, so the 11.25" was only 0.5" QPF. Not a met, but we experience these type of events fairly frequently here in the Great Lakes. I'm guessing you were right in the fgen band. Those can produce insane rates, massive snowflakes, and you can easily attain 20-1 or better ratios even if the temperature is around freezing. We've even had a few spring snows where that will happen and the surface is so warm it only sticks on the grass and not the cement, but the actual snow itself on the grass is a fluffy ratio. Then what will happen outside of the band is much lower ratio snowfall. So it would not be uncommon at all for "place A" to be in the fgen band, have a temperature around 30°, and finish with 0.45" liquid and 10.0" snow while "place B" just 20 miles away is not in the band, has a temperature around 30°, and finishes with 0.28" liquid and 3.3" snow or something like that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 54 minutes ago, RU848789 said: So somehow in what has been a crappy winter for many we've overperformed on almost every storm... the 11.25" yesterday brings me to 24.5" for the season which is actually ahead of normal for this date. It's just nuts that we're 17" ahead of CPK, just 25 miles to our NE. I'll take it and run lol. It was a 2 week winter surrounded by frustration. Our location made the most of the those two weeks with the final storm dumping on us. Given how well our area has done can’t give this winter less then a C. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 i was in piscataway last night and yards that got sun were down to about 3" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Some areas of blowing snow and minor drifting by east end fields this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, michsnowfreak said: Not a met, but we experience these type of events fairly frequently here in the Great Lakes. I'm guessing you were right in the fgen band. Those can produce insane rates, massive snowflakes, and you can easily attain 20-1 or better ratios even if the temperature is around freezing. We've even had a few spring snows where that will happen and the surface is so warm it only sticks on the grass and not the cement, but the actual snow itself on the grass is a fluffy ratio. Then what will happen outside of the band is much lower ratio snowfall. So it would not be uncommon at all for "place A" to be in the fgen band, have a temperature around 30°, and finish with 0.45" liquid and 10.0" snow while "place B" just 20 miles away is not in the band, has a temperature around 30°, and finishes with 0.28" liquid and 3.3" snow or something like that. That definitely happened here, the roads had no snow on them but everything else had thick layers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 54 minutes ago, Allsnow said: It was a 2 week winter surrounded by frustration. Our location made the most of the those two weeks with the final storm dumping on us. Given how well our area has done can’t give this winter less then a C. I'll give it a C- for the bad December and bad most of January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 doesn't c mean average? temps have been way above 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, forkyfork said: doesn't c mean average? temps have been way above All I care about is snowfall We won’t have many cold winters left in our lifetime 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, forkyfork said: i was in piscataway last night and yards that got sun were down to about 3" i am 10 miles east of their and the same result here - combination of snow settling - sun melting it above freezing all day and wind - by mid week most of it will be gone except for shady areas and snow piles........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, NEG NAO said: i am 10 miles east of their and the same result here - combination of snow settling - sun melting it above freezing all day and wind - by mid week most of it will be gone except for shady areas and snow piles........ Snow melts…we deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, RU848789 said: So somehow in what has been a crappy winter for many we've overperformed on almost every storm... the 11.25" yesterday brings me to 24.5" for the season which is actually ahead of normal for this date. It's just nuts that we're 17" ahead of CPK, just 25 miles to our NE. I'll take it and run lol. how did you get to 24.5 ?? I am only a few miles from you got 9" yesterday bringing my total to 17"......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 minutes ago, NEG NAO said: how did you get to 24.5 ?? I am only a few miles from you got 9" yesterday bringing my total to 17"......... We had 11 yesterday and 6 this past Monday night 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Like a March snowfall. Melting rapidly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 minute ago, ag3 said: Like a March snowfall. Melting rapidly. All fluff…reminds me of the last storm in the epic March 2018 run 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: All fluff…reminds me of the last storm in the epic March 2018 run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, forkyfork said: i was in piscataway last night and yards that got sun were down to about 3" Yeah fluff bombs do not have much staying power. We need another March 2017 with heavy snow followed by thundersleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, forkyfork said: i was in piscataway last night and yards that got sun were down to about 3" Lol my yard has more than that and i only got 2” yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, NEG NAO said: i am 10 miles east of their and the same result here - combination of snow settling - sun melting it above freezing all day and wind - by mid week most of it will be gone except for shady areas and snow piles........ it's definitely been melting here today with the strong sunshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, EastonSN+ said: lol notice the NYC measurements in those storms.... also, you should include the April storm, since it was part of the same pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 hours ago, forkyfork said: doesn't c mean average? temps have been way above Yeah that's why I put the - after the C lol It's hard to give a winter a D when there are two snowfalls of 4 inches plus.... in the same week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 Verification added via NOHRSC and CoCoRaHSwith the infamous banding near I78 that dumped 6-13" from s LI beaches west to Allentown. DCA 0.1, BWI 2.2, PHL 2.6, ABE 5.7, NYC CP 2.0, BDL 0.7, ORH 0.5w, and BOS T. looks to me like GEFS did best using the initial ensembles within this thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 29 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: it's definitely been melting here today with the strong sunshine same here many bare spots showing up here - and temps above freezing 37 degrees at 1:30 pm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 28 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yeah that's why I put the - after the C lol It's hard to give a winter a D when there are two snowfalls of 4 inches plus.... in the same week! this month will end up with avg temps much above normal and snowfall above normal in some areas in NJ especially 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 3 minutes ago, NEG NAO said: this month will end up with avg temps much above normal and snowfall above normal in some areas in NJ especially And a fairly dry month as well. If you saw <2" of liquid and +5 you wouldn't expect much snow yet here we are 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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