Birds~69 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Philly received 0.6"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmosk Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Birds~69 said: Philly received 0.6"... Yep. A few miles west of PHL we may have gotten one inch more, though the snow is nearly gone already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVLion77 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Epic Bust here in CNJ happy for the NW crew though. We got less than 2" and it has all been completely melted by mid-afternoon here in Bordentown, NJ. Kind of amazing how every model this morning had 4-8" for the area. Probably got around 1.5" if that....These storms always produce winners and losers! That sucks. I go crazy missing out on these winter storms (nailed this one though.). I also hate missing a severe thunderstorm!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, jimmosk said: Yep. A few miles west of PHL we may have gotten one inch more, though the snow is nearly gone already. Do you know (or anyone) if the official Philly totals still come from the airport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlsnowman24 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Probably one of the worst modeled storms in recent memory IMO. Curious to see the final snowfall maps for the entire NE corridor... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Ended up with 7.25” that gives me 19.25 for the season so far. Kudos to the Mt Holly crew great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Birds~69 said: Do you know (or anyone) if the official Philly totals still come from the airport? They used to do measurements from National Park, NJ but I have noticed in the PNS's that they are using an ASOS. Quote Philadelphia International 0.6 in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS The full PNS - Quote 000 NOUS41 KPHI 132119 PNSPHI DEZ001>004-MDZ012-015-019-020-NJZ001-007>010-012>027-PAZ054-055-060>062-070- 071-101>106-140919- Public Information Statement National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ 419 PM EST Tue Feb 13 2024 ...FINAL SNOWFALL TOTALS FOR 2/13/24 STORM... Location Amount Time/Date Provider ...Delaware... ...New Castle County... Winterthur 2.2 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet Hockessin 2.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet 1 SW West Park 0.7 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet 1 E Ashbourne Hills 0.6 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet New Castle County Airport 0.5 in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS ...New Jersey... ...Atlantic County... Atlantic City International T in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS ...Burlington County... 1 ESE Delran 2.1 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Maple Shade 1.9 in 1230 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 NNE Rancocas 1.6 in 1215 PM 02/13 NWS Employee Mount Holly WFO 1.4 in 1225 PM 02/13 Official NWS Obs Mount Laurel 1.4 in 1240 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Medford 1.0 in 1140 AM 02/13 NWS Employee Moorestown 1.0 in 0115 PM 02/13 Broadcast Media Marlton 0.9 in 0945 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Leisuretowne 0.8 in 1225 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Camden County... 1 W Greentree 1.5 in 1130 AM 02/13 Public Mount Ephraim 0.9 in 1210 PM 02/13 COCORAHS ...Gloucester County... Paulsboro 1.1 in 1145 AM 02/13 Public Wenonah 0.2 SW 0.5 in 0912 AM 02/13 COCORAHS ...Hunterdon County... 2 SW Tewksbury Twp 8.0 in 1230 PM 02/13 Public Flemington 7.6 in 1200 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Readington Twp 7.5 in 1000 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Flemington 1.9 SE 7.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 COCORAHS Readington 6.5 in 1231 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Clinton Twp. 4 N 6.0 in 0830 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Bloomsbury 5.0 in 0145 PM 02/13 Public Glen Gardner 4.9 in 0650 AM 02/13 Public ...Mercer County... Woodsville 6.8 in 1233 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Princeton 4.5 in 1236 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Trenton Mercer Airport 4.2 in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS Hopewell Twp. 2.4 NW 4.0 in 0909 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Ewing 2.3 in 0935 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Hamilton Square 1.4 in 1237 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Middlesex County... Metuchen 6.1 in 1230 PM 02/13 Public South Plainfield 5.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Amateur Radio Iselin 5.0 in 1240 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Highland Park 4.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Amateur Radio Edison 4.3 in 1238 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 W North Brunswick 4.3 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public New Brunswick 3 SE 4.0 in 0800 AM 02/13 COOP 1 ESE Kendall Park 4.0 in 1220 PM 02/13 Public North Brunswick 4.0 in 1215 PM 02/13 Public East Brunswick 3.6 in 1100 AM 02/13 Amateur Radio South Amboy 3.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Amateur Radio Cranbury 2.7 in 1220 PM 02/13 Other Federal ...Monmouth County... 1 SSW Freehold 5.1 in 1250 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Holmdel 5.0 in 0130 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 3 NE Perrineville 4.2 in 0130 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Middletown 4.0 in 1230 PM 02/13 Public 1 ENE Atlantic Highlands 3.5 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public 1 NNW Clarksburg 3.3 in 1240 PM 02/13 Cocorahs Tinton Falls 3.2 in 0100 PM 02/13 Broadcast Media 1 N Colts Neck Twp 3.1 in 0120 PM 02/13 Cocorahs Union Beach 2.1 SSE 3.0 in 0800 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Marlboro 2.5 in 0900 AM 02/13 COOP Monmouth Beach 2.2 in 1105 AM 02/13 Public Little Silver 0.3 NNW 2.1 in 0900 AM 02/13 COCORAHS 2 SSE Howell 2.0 in 0100 PM 02/13 Cocorahs Red Bank 2.0 in 1110 AM 02/13 Public Keyport 1.5 in 1050 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Manasquan 1.2 in 1012 AM 02/13 CO-OP Observer ...Morris County... Green Pond 11.5 in 0130 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Randolph Twp 2.2 SE 11.5 in 1137 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Randolph 11.5 in 1136 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Denville 10.2 in 1210 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Kinnelon 1.4 SE 10.0 in 1000 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Budd Lake 9.2 in 1120 AM 02/13 Public Lake Hopatcong 9.2 in 1130 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 WSW Milton 9.1 in 0145 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Morris Plains 9.1 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public Butler 9.0 in 1120 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 NNE Califon 9.0 in 1107 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Mount Arlington 8.5 in 0100 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Montville 8.0 in 0200 PM 02/13 Public Roxbury Twp. 8.0 in 0700 AM 02/13 COCORAHS 1 WSW Mountain Lakes 8.0 in 1206 PM 02/13 Cocorahs Rockaway 8.0 in 0100 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Chatham 7.8 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public Whippany 7.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 SW Schooleys Mountain 7.3 in 1110 AM 02/13 Public Pequannock 7.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Parsippany-Troy Hills Twp 7.0 in 1120 AM 02/13 Public Millington 6.9 in 1110 AM 02/13 Public Boonton 6.0 in 1015 AM 02/13 Public Ledgewood 6.0 in 0902 AM 02/13 Public Pompton Plains 6.0 in 1010 AM 02/13 Public ...Ocean County... 2 NE Brick 1.7 in 0100 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Somerset County... Watchung 1.4 WNW 8.5 in 1145 AM 02/13 COCORAHS 3 W Belle Mead 8.3 in 1152 AM 02/13 Public Far Hills 1 S 7.5 in 1200 PM 02/13 COCORAHS Basking Ridge 7.3 in 1207 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 3 SSE Far Hills 7.0 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public Martinsville 7.0 in 1230 PM 02/13 Public Hillsborough Twp 6.5 in 1235 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter North Plainfield 6.2 in 1215 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Neshanic Station 6.0 in 1145 AM 02/13 Public 2 N Bridgewater 5.5 in 0100 PM 02/13 Cocorahs 2 ENE Montgomery Twp 5.3 in 1200 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Green Brook Twp 5.0 in 1130 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Middlebush 4.5 in 1230 PM 02/13 Cocorahs Franklin Twp 3.8 ENE 4.1 in 0900 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Millstone 3.0 in 1034 AM 02/13 Broadcast Media ...Sussex County... Sussex 15.0 in 1228 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 SSE Montague 14.8 in 0218 PM 02/13 Hampton Twp 13.0 in 0935 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Sparta 12.5 in 0930 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Sandyston Twp 12.3 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public Vernon 12.1 in 1130 AM 02/13 Public Ogdensburg 11.7 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public Wantage Twp 11.6 in 1100 AM 02/13 Public 3 SSW High Point 11.3 in 1045 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Lafayette Twp 11.0 in 1105 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Newton 11.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public 3 N Pellettown 11.0 in 1045 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 SSW Hamburg 10.7 in 1240 PM 02/13 Public 1 S Hardyston Twp 9.9 in 1130 AM 02/13 Cocorahs Franklin 9.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Public Byram Twp 9.0 in 1050 AM 02/13 Public Hopatcong 8.5 in 1208 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Warren County... Blairstown 12.0 in 1045 AM 02/13 Cocorahs 2 SE Knowlton Twp 10.4 in 1045 AM 02/13 Cocorahs 1 SSW Harmony 9.8 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Knowlton Twp 1.7 S 9.8 in 0845 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Hackettstown 9.0 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Liberty Twp 8.5 in 1130 AM 02/13 Public 1 ENE Pohatcong Twp 8.3 in 1159 AM 02/13 Cocorahs Washington Twp. 1.8 SE 8.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 COCORAHS Phillipsburg 8.0 in 1100 AM 02/13 Public Stewartsville 8.0 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Pennsylvania... ...Berks County... Huffs Church 9.4 in 1037 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Hamburg 8.8 in 1015 AM 02/13 Public Fleetwood 4.8 ESE 8.3 in 0700 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Bern Twp 8.2 in 1134 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Blandon 8.1 in 1020 AM 02/13 Public Lenhartsville 8.0 in 1024 AM 02/13 Public Mertztown 8.0 in 1101 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Morgantown 8.0 in 1109 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Wernersville 8.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Mohrsville 2.2 SW 6.8 in 0800 AM 02/13 COCORAHS 1 N Union Twp 6.8 in 1004 AM 02/13 Public Spring Twp 6.5 in 1000 AM 02/13 Public Elverson 2.1 NE 6.0 in 1100 AM 02/13 COCORAHS 3 ENE New Morgan 6.0 in 1114 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Reading Regional Airport 5.8 in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS 1 N Boyertown 5.3 in 0829 AM 02/13 Public 1 WSW Douglass Twp 5.0 in 0830 AM 02/13 COCORAHS ...Bucks County... 2 NE Springtown 10.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 CO-OP Observer East Rockhill Twp 8.9 in 1155 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 E Telford 8.9 in 1030 AM 02/13 Cocorahs Hilltown Twp 7.9 in 1115 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Lumberville 7.3 in 1110 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Bedminster 7.0 in 1241 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Buckingham Twp 7.0 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public Gardenville 7.0 in 1123 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Trumbauersville 7.0 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Doylestown 3.4 SW 6.5 in 1200 PM 02/13 COCORAHS Furlong 6.0 in 1220 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Perkasie 0.8 NE 5.5 in 0900 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Warminster 5.5 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter New Hope 5.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public Lower Makefield Twp 4.8 in 0135 PM 02/13 Public Bensalem 3.1 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public Langhorne 3.0 in 1137 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 SSE Northampton Twp 3.0 in 1045 AM 02/13 NWS Employee ...Carbon County... Albrightsville 14.5 in 1000 AM 02/13 Public Jim Thorpe 13.4 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Lehighton 1.3 SSE 12.3 in 1200 PM 02/13 COCORAHS Lehigh Twp 11.0 in 0850 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Lower Towamensing Twp 10.8 in 1030 AM 02/13 Public Palmerton 7.0 in 0830 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Chester County... East Nantmeal Twp 10.5 in 1059 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter West Caln Twp 9.3 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 E Warwick Twp 8.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet 1 S Wallace Twp 7.8 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet 1 E West Sadsbury Twp 7.5 in 1113 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 NE East Vincent Twp 7.1 in 0100 PM 02/13 CO-OP Observer East Coventry Twp 7.0 in 1150 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Glenmoore 7.0 in 0945 AM 02/13 Public Malvern 7.0 in 1140 AM 02/13 Public 1 S Chester Springs 6.4 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet Easttown Twp 6.3 in 1130 AM 02/13 Public 1 WNW Chesterbrook 6.2 in 1115 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 SSW Atglen 6.1 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet Downington 5.5 in 1230 PM 02/13 Public Exton 5.3 in 1100 AM 02/13 Public Paoli 5.2 in 1115 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter West Bradford Twp 5.1 in 1240 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 WSW Phoenixville 4.8 in 1137 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Exton 2.1 SE 4.6 in 0929 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Jennersville 4.2 in 1120 AM 02/13 Public 1 W West Nottingham Twp 4.1 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet Oxford 4.0 in 0825 AM 02/13 Public 1 NNW Glenhall 3.9 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet Schuylkill Twp 3.6 in 0200 PM 02/13 Public 1 NNW Westtown 3.2 in 1200 PM 02/13 Mesonet ...Delaware County... Thornton 4.3 in 1130 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Thornbury Twp 4.0 in 1106 AM 02/13 Public Chadds Ford Twp 3.4 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Bethel Twp 3.0 in 1119 AM 02/13 Public Aston Twp. 2.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public Morton 1.5 in 1110 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Lehigh County... Washington Twp 12.3 in 1250 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Weisenberg Twp 12.3 in 1005 AM 02/13 Public Salisbury Twp 11.2 in 1103 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Germansville 10.8 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 3 E Zionsville 10.5 in 1140 AM 02/13 Public 3 W Upper Macungie Twp. 10.5 in 1200 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Center Valley 10.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Allentown 9.5 in 1030 AM 02/13 Public New Tripoli 9.3 in 1010 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 ESE North Whitehall Twp 9.3 in 0120 PM 02/13 Cocorahs Whitehall Twp 9.3 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Lehigh Valley International 9.1 in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS Breinigsville 9.0 in 0930 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Coplay 9.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public Emmaus 9.0 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Macungie 8.8 in 1057 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Wescosville 0.3 SE 8.5 in 1230 PM 02/13 COCORAHS 1 WSW Neffs 8.5 in 0100 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 NE Ancient Oaks 8.5 in 1240 PM 02/13 Cocorahs ...Monroe County... 1 NNW Pocono Summit 14.5 in 0130 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Tobyhanna 14.5 in 0900 AM 02/13 Public Stroudsburg 13.2 in 1030 AM 02/13 CO-OP Observer Effort 13.0 in 1130 AM 02/13 Public 4 NNW Echo Lake 13.0 in 1045 AM 02/13 Public Sciota 13.0 in 1159 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Arlington Heights 12.5 in 1031 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Coolbaugh Twp 12.3 in 1206 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Pocono Pines 12.2 in 0909 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Paradise Valley 12.0 in 1200 PM 02/13 Public Canadensis 12.0 in 0700 AM 02/13 COOP 2 NW Blakeslee 11.8 in 0140 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 NNW Pocono Mountains Munic 11.5 in 0210 PM 02/13 Mount Pocono 0.7 N 10.5 in 0700 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Mount Pocono 9.7 in 0635 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Montgomery County... Schwenksville 9.0 in 1030 AM 02/13 Public 3 NW Trappe 8.8 in 1220 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Souderton 8.5 in 1045 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter New Hanover Twp 8.2 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Upper Hanover Twp 8.1 in 0950 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 SW Lansdale 8.0 in 1145 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter 2 SW Pennsburg 7.5 in 1100 AM 02/13 Public Pottstown 7.5 in 1000 AM 02/13 Public Royersford 7.5 in 1115 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Salford Twp 6.7 in 1100 AM 02/13 Public Eagleville 5.5 in 1000 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Norristown 5.3 in 1204 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Upper Providence Twp 5.3 in 1030 AM 02/13 Emergency Mngr Hatfield 5.0 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public 2 S Horsham Twp 4.5 in 1157 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter King of Prussia 4.3 in 1230 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Glenside 3.8 in 1122 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Wyndmoor 3.2 in 0952 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Penn Wynne 3.0 in 1230 PM 02/13 Cocorahs ...Northampton County... Bangor 12.0 in 1030 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Bushkill Twp 11.0 in 1005 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Bethlehem 10.5 in 1033 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Nazareth 10.3 in 0950 AM 02/13 Public Forks Twp 10.1 in 1230 PM 02/13 Public Pen Argyl 10.0 in 1042 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Moore Twp 9.7 in 1045 AM 02/13 Public 2 E Bethlehem 9.5 in 1207 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Palmer Heights 9.1 in 0157 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter Bethlehem Twp 9.1 in 1128 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Martins Creek 9.1 in 0100 PM 02/13 CO-OP Observer Hellertown 8.4 in 1100 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter Walnutport 7.5 in 0815 AM 02/13 Trained Spotter ...Philadelphia County... Shawmont 4.5 in 1200 PM 02/13 Trained Spotter 1 NNW Manayunk 3.5 in 0100 PM 02/13 Public Philadelphia 1.0 in 0900 AM 02/13 COCORAHS Mantua 1.0 in 1205 PM 02/13 Public Philadelphia International 0.6 in 0100 PM 02/13 ASOS && Well my "high" for the day was 40 at midnight, but after the storm was done and the sun came out, I did get close, hitting around 38 briefly. It's currently 36 with dp 29. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Reilly Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Birds~69 said: Philly received 0.6"... And there it is elevation and warmer air trapped along the Delaware River. Think my totals for Delaware County last night were spot on from what I saw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 hours ago, RedSky said: Sun angle feels like April what is going on lol 5 hours ago, Birds~69 said: I've noticed this the past week or so while driving. So damn bright and drilling to my eyes for, not even, mid-Feb. WTF? This stuff usually doesn't affect me till early-mid March at the earliest... 39F/partly sunny Was just talking about this with someone. They noticed the past few years the sun's rays have felt hotter. I noted that I also sensed that. Wonder if there is something to this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard-on-GFS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 One thing I’ve learned from this is if temperatures are iffy, always use the snow depth snow maps, or look at soundings. Kuchera and 10-1 maps were completely off, even the 12z Kuchera this morning were printing out over 8 inches of snow for central New Jersey when most places in that area ended up with 1-2” at best. I remember last night the RGEM snow depth had about 1 to 3 inches for the area so it was pretty dang close and it was also pretty good for north and west areas where it had 6 to 8 inches modeled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard-on-GFS Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Blizzard-on-GFS said: One thing I’ve learned from this is if temperatures are iffy, always use the snow depth snow maps, or look at soundings. Kuchera and 10-1 maps were completely off, even the 12z Kuchera this morning were printing out over 8 inches of snow for central New Jersey when most places in that area ended up with 1-2” at best. I remember last night the RGEM snow depth had about 1 to 3 inches for the area so it was pretty dang close and it was also pretty good for north and west areas where it had 6 to 8 inches modeled. check out the massive differences below. 10” for CNJ on 10-1 vs 2” on snow depth. That should always be a tell tale sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamuSnow Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 6 hours ago, Birds~69 said: I've noticed this the past week or so while driving. So damn bright and drilling to my eyes for, not even, mid-Feb. WTF? This stuff usually doesn't affect me till early-mid March at the earliest... 39F/partly sunny We're just not used to the sun this winter, lol. And yeah with snow on the ground practically need sunglasses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamuSnow Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Wound up with 3.2" here. Season total in double digits now at 12.8", or 14.22x last winters total (of 0.9") - yeah baby! Thoroughly enjoyed it! Best part was around 7 am here, probably the heaviest snow I've seen in a few years. Some heavy shoveling too, but better this way than from snow turning to rain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamuSnow Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 They're back! I think the far away pile (which I posted a pic of in its previous state last night) was just about gone from the rain overnight. But they are back, slimmed down, compact, and high density! And I'm beat, lol. Good day altogether! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVLion77 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Was just talking about this with someone. They noticed the past few years the sun's rays have felt hotter. I noted that I also sensed that. Wonder if there is something to this?Seriously, I had a similar conversation today with someone on the same subject . The sun this afternoon felt like March/April today. I never used a coat this afternoon in the sun as it felt so warm at 38 degrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 20 hours ago, RU848789 said: As of about 12:15 the snow ended and that last good 45 min band got us to 6.0" as per my lousy pic below, using the yardstick I grew up with, lol. Not quite the 7.2" I predicted, due to probably missing out on 1.5-2.0" from being in that heinous subsidence hell hole for 3 hours, lol. But Woo-hoo! since my expectations several days ago, when things were trending warm/wet for 95, was maybe an inch or two of slop...although there was certainly some hope for a 10-12" event in the past day or two if things worked out perfectly, but not a surprise that that didn't happen, which is why my prediction was for a more realistic 7.2". This brings the season total up to a respectable 13.3", still well below where we should be (about 18" through this point in the winter), but way better than last winter's 5.2" here. And there are some more snow chances over the next few weeks. And this storm is one more data point showing that snow will easily accumulate on all untreated surfaces at 33-34F, as long as there is moderate to high intensity, even after a warm/rainy day. Curious to see what my ratios were (in progress). Guessing pretty low early in the storm with some sleet and pretty wet snow, but probably >10:1 once the snow started falling heavily around sunrise and especially by mid-morning as the snow was fairly fluffy with nice dendrites, but I'll only be able to get one aggregate number. Snow ratio time. I like the cuboid method over the core method: I simply carve a 10" x 10" slice of snow and shove it into a big bowl, melt it and measure the volume vs. the snow height I measured (it's a much bigger volume than most cores, so it should have less error associated with the measurement. I had 9832 cc volume in my 10"x10"x6" cuboid vs. 1180 cc of melted snow, so my ratio was 8.33:1, which was very close to Newark's 8.4:1. I suspect it was much lower over the first hour or two, when we had 1/4" or so of sleet followed by fairly wet snow, but that was maybe the first inch of depth. Once we started getting higher intensity snowfall it clearly was at least 10:1 ratio snow as the flakes were very nice dendrites (although a little wet until later in the storm). Also, I had estimated we'd have ratios around 8:1 for most of 95, before the storm and at least EWR and I got very close to that, while Kuchera estimates were in the 6-7:1 range, depending on the model. I get why Kuchera is used - I'd just rather do my own estimate. So much for the concerns over the ratio of the snow that fell from the sky. And while we're at it, this storm also reconfirmed that snow will easily accumulate on all surfaces, including roads (and even treated, heavily traveled roads) at above 32F temps after a warm previous day and after a bunch of rain had fallen, as long as there is enough intensity. The equation governing this is so simple: accumulation rate = snowfall rate - melting rate. And accumulation is only a challenge initially, when there's bare/wet ground at 33-34F, which is why the snowfall rate needs to be greater to overcome that initial melting rate; once there's a layer of snow/slush on the ground, the new "ground" is 32F snow/slush meaning the melting rate is far less than for bare ground and subsequent snow will accumulate easily (as 33-34F air does minimal melting of snow given air has 1/20th the heat transfer coefficient of wet ground). There are certainly times where the intensity isn't enough to overcome that initial melting rate and we get a white rainstorm. This wasn't one of them. I think the problems people further SE had with accumulating were due to not getting snow until after sunrise (ours started at 4:30 am) and then not getting good enough consistent intensity to get more than 2-3", as there was major subsidence and less intensity along/SE of 95 after about 8:30 am (the NW areas "stole" all the good intensity lol). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 13 hours ago, Blizzard-on-GFS said: One thing I’ve learned from this is if temperatures are iffy, always use the snow depth snow maps, or look at soundings. Kuchera and 10-1 maps were completely off, even the 12z Kuchera this morning were printing out over 8 inches of snow for central New Jersey when most places in that area ended up with 1-2” at best. I remember last night the RGEM snow depth had about 1 to 3 inches for the area so it was pretty dang close and it was also pretty good for north and west areas where it had 6 to 8 inches modeled. It's all about intensity in marginal setups (and getting snow instead of rain, lol - the changeover was delayed from about 276/195 southward where people really got a lot less than modeled and forecast by some) - see my latest post on that. We got 6" in Metuchen with an 8.3:1 ratio and temps generally 33F for the storm. Anyway, here's a good map on snowfall amounts. Also, Bordentown is barely CNJ and much of CNJ got 5-8". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Reilly Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, RU848789 said: It's all about intensity in marginal setups (and getting snow instead of rain, lol - the changeover was delayed from about 276/195 southward where people really got a lot less than modeled and forecast by some) - see my latest post on that. We got 6" in Metuchen with an 8.3:1 ratio and temps generally 33F for the storm. Anyway, here's a good map on snowfall amounts. Also, Bordentown is barely CNJ and much of CNJ got 5-8". You certainly missed one besides intensity elevation played a huge role. Look at the Fall line! The heavy snow matched perfectly to the fall line snow 6"+ was north and west of the fall line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 hours ago, Kevin Reilly said: You certainly missed one besides intensity elevation played a huge role. Look at the Fall line! The heavy snow matched perfectly to the fall line snow 6"+ was north and west of the fall line. Good point on elevation as it's always important, but I think the main reason areas 10-20 miles and more NW of 95 got a lot more snow with this system was that precip amounts were much greater not that they were at elevation; much of the 95 corridor from Trenton to NYC got stuck in a subsidence zone for 2-3 hours with much less snow falling, as per the radar in real time and the graphic below shows the stark difference of 0.4-0.6" QPF falling from 1 am to 1 pm (precip was over for everyone by then) for the whole 95 corridor from CNJ through NYC vs. 0.8-1.2" QPF for most of NEPA, NWNJ and the Hudson Valley. And this difference was even worse from 8:30-11:30 am, which was the prime time for heavy snow and we got only 1.5" during that time, which was less than we got during the one hour from 7:30-8:30 am (1.75" of snow) - I easily would've had 9-10" instead of 6" if I had gotten the precip amounts those NW of me got and I think the same is true for much of the 95 corridor locations from CNJ through NYC/NENJ - we would've kept snowing heavily and accumulating, if only we got the precip, but we didn't. Where elevation and temp certainly played a difference was the timing of the changeover to snow, as it was colder, earlier, further NW (not unusual in these setups). We lost a few tenths of precip to rain before changing at 4:30 am, whereas areas well NW, changed 2-3 hours earlier, getting probably 1-2" more during that time (precip wasn't as heavy). Also if it was just elevation playing a role, then why did so many locations SE of the fall line (I'm about 8-9 miles SE of it) even get 5-7", as in Middlesex/Somerset counties? As an aside, lack of precip intensity is almost certainly why areas from Philly SE through SNJ got very little snow (an inch or so near Philly and little to no snow SE of there. The precip wasn't heavy enough early on to dynamically cool the column (plus they changed oer to snow even a few hours later than we did) and then by mid-morning, when temps were finally cooler, the precip still wasn't heavy enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Reilly Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 11 minutes ago, RU848789 said: Good point on elevation as it's always important, but I think the main reason areas 10-20 miles and more NW of 95 got a lot more snow with this system was that precip amounts were much greater not that they were at elevation; much of the 95 corridor from Trenton to NYC got stuck in a subsidence zone for 2-3 hours with much less snow falling, as per the radar in real time and the graphic below shows the stark difference of 0.4-0.6" QPF falling from 1 am to 1 pm (precip was over for everyone by then) for the whole 95 corridor from CNJ through NYC vs. 0.8-1.2" QPF for most of NEPA, NWNJ and the Hudson Valley. And this difference was even worse from 8:30-11:30 am, which was the prime time for heavy snow and we got only 1.5" during that time, which was less than we got during the one hour from 7:30-8:30 am (1.75" of snow) - I easily would've had 9-10" instead of 6" if I had gotten the precip amounts those NW of me got and I think the same is true for much of the 95 corridor locations from CNJ through NYC/NENJ - we would've kept snowing heavily and accumulating, if only we got the precip, but we didn't. Where elevation and temp certainly played a difference was the timing of the changeover to snow, as it was colder, earlier, further NW (not unusual in these setups). We lost a few tenths of precip to rain before changing at 4:30 am, whereas areas well NW, changed 2-3 hours earlier, getting probably 1-2" more during that time (precip wasn't as heavy). Also if it was just elevation playing a role, then why did so many locations SE of the fall line (I'm about 8-9 miles SE of it) even get 5-7", as in Middlesex/Somerset counties? As an aside, lack of precip intensity is almost certainly why areas from Philly SE through SNJ got very little snow (an inch or so near Philly and little to no snow SE of there. The precip wasn't heavy enough early on to dynamically cool the column (plus they changed oer to snow even a few hours later than we did) and then by mid-morning, when temps were finally cooler, the precip still wasn't heavy enough. ou 100% agree with this here in Media we had 2" an hour from basically 6:30 to 8:00 am then it slacked off from 8:30 to 9:15 or so and those further north and west continued onward with their 2" an hour rates a little disappointing, but honestly it was all rain for us lowlanders 15 hours prior so take what you can get! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 12z GFS definitely shows that "south" thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Could be the MA's turn. Also, SNJ and DE missed out on the goods earlier this week, hopefully they cash in on this one. Bottomed out at 15F, currently 34F. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 33F, overcast, may be beaver season? And get your head out of the gutter... This little guy is cool... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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