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It was a Flop... February 2024 Disco. Thread


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3 minutes ago, NoCORH4L said:

North country definitely needs some snow. All trails in central NH basically closed, except local club trails at elevation

Not seeing anything of any significance other then a couple clipper events that may end up to far east to be much help either right now for those areas, Maybe we can get the upslope machine going on some of this, But those areas need the snow.

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11 hours ago, Hazey said:

0z Icon blows it up in the gulf of Maine. Nice s/w

Yeah it's going for that NJ model low idea ... perhaps biased slightly N of typical.  It's when a flat wave/wind max at mid levels crosses over the native instability along that part of the M/A coast - it helps is there some identifiable baroclinicity in the region when that takes place.  The result is fast moving quick developer.  They can sometimes evolve into major events if they are rigorous enough, but usually they're limited to moderate but headline-able snow amts.  6" -ish ...maybe 8. 

That's what that looks like.  That model had that idea on the 12z yesterday.  Weakened/too late on the 18z ... But then it comes back even more impressive looking on the 00z.  Back to weak and too late on the 06z.  Seems there's a data sampling constraint going on there.  Not sure how the ICON's grid is populated - they may not "pay for" the full suite. We have to remember, Euro and GFS ...these models purchase their sounding data from foreign sources - or they used to.  Maybe Brian or someone would know if that is still the case or if they've created some other coop program ...etc.  But as far as the ICON's last 24 hours of runs, the old 12 on 18 off 00z on 06z off strikes me as the old days of data compliment shadowing. 

Why am spending so much time on this model ...

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sitting at 30.5 on the season, still way off of climo for here, but last 5 years are 35.5, 63.4, 37.4, 41.2...and to date 30.5. Would be happy with another 20" to at least get more than half of climo, but we'll see. One big one would really go along way to making moods better here... crazy to think the first 4 years after moving here, we had about 90" except for 15-16, which is the lowest since 90-91 &94-95. Believe it or not, the 80s data for here had 4 seasons over 100", and 1 close.

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36 minutes ago, NW_of_GYX said:

Sitting at 39" STD. Gonna really need some help here soon because we're rapidly falling behind. Over two weeks with no measurable snow in the heart of climo in NNE snow country is bad, no way around it. 

Yep.  No trace of snow here - let alone measurable - so far this month.  Was up at Shawnee Thursday night, then again Sunday.  Conditions got dramatically worse in between the two trips.  This clipper will help but it'll all be pushed off by middle of next week with school vacation ski traffic.  Really need a solid dump or 2 to get through the rest of ski season.

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12 minutes ago, tunafish said:

Yep.  No trace of snow here - let alone measurable - so far this month.  Was up at Shawnee Thursday night, then again Sunday.  Conditions got dramatically worse in between the two trips.  This clipper will help but it'll all be pushed off by middle of next week with school vacation ski traffic.  Really need a solid dump or 2 to get through the rest of ski season.

barring any big storm (10"+), I wonder if Bridgton sled trails will reopen. We never even opened in Raymond/Casco and that's a 1st since we've lived here

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1 minute ago, Lava Rock said:

barring any big storm (10"+), I wonder if Bridgton sled trails will reopen. We never even opened in Raymond/Casco and that's a 1st since we've lived here

talked with the president of the club last week. Same issue as last year, even with snow otg nothing ever froze and they had major water issues which they did their best to deal with. They're usually pretty eager but it will take another 10" to get it going is my guess. Hard to believe the work these clubs put in for seasons that last 3 weeks. Its been an epic bad stretch locally for trail riding. 18-19 was the last good season. 

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19 minutes ago, tunafish said:

Yep.  No trace of snow here - let alone measurable - so far this month.  Was up at Shawnee Thursday night, then again Sunday.  Conditions got dramatically worse in between the two trips.  This clipper will help but it'll all be pushed off by middle of next week with school vacation ski traffic.  Really need a solid dump or 2 to get through the rest of ski season.

not good yesterday either. They will blow snow this week, have to the way things look on the hill right now with vacation week around the corner. 

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23 minutes ago, moneypitmike said:

Popping back in here from the storm thread.  Are we back to discussing spring here?

Doesn't look very spring-like through the the 25th anyway -

We'll see afterwards, but it is possible we'll see the hemisphere correct more +PNA as we near.  

As of recent telecon projections from all three sources, the PNA sags and go negative 25th + however ... as the MJO folk pointed out, there could be corrections in the making,

"... there is some question as to whether this weakening is reflective of a disorganizing MJO or the removal of the 120-day mean which is strongly skewing the MJO signal to the right in RMM space. Upper-level velocity potential anomaly forecasts suggest the latter, which depict more coherent MJO moving forward...."

"Western Hemisphere MJO events during late winter typically favor the development of
anomalous mid-level troughing and colder than normal temperatures across many parts of
central and eastern CONUS.
"

There has been tepid success in coupling the MJO to large circulation manifolds... but, the latter season Nino climatology favors the left side of the RMM.  It's some speculation, but if the wave is actually going to be stronger around the side ...that may begin/assist in modulating.  We might be seeing that in the ens spatial layouts already - at least in the GEFs.  There's a lowering hgt retrograde on this 12z mean back N of HA along the 35th/40th

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1 hour ago, NW_of_GYX said:

Sitting at 39" STD. Gonna really need some help here soon because we're rapidly falling behind. Over two weeks with no measurable snow in the heart of climo in NNE snow country is bad, no way around it. 

36.7" here, But i would rather see your area NW start cashing in, Its over before it even started for local riding and has been that way for a few years now, But lets get the foothills and mountains to get some, I would like to ride a few more weeks.

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13 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

And what do you see Tippy? 

Brooklyn' and Will and I were bouncing ideas back and forth last week ... we'd targeted 20th and 24th back whence.  But back then, even the 20th was out side said coherence horizon - (expression I invented that just means the average range in which signals tend to take better form...).  The 24th was 'analytic imagination' on where things would go... which believe it or not does have some non-zero value provided it isn't too Georgian in construct ( lol )

The GEFs have a really impressive 500 mb evolution, showing that the 20th actually sets up the 23rd/24th.. .There is an ephemeral trough deepening between HA and California around the 20th ... that can preceded/transmit a trough signal to West Va-ish ..the original 20th notion, but, it actually take a day and half to complete the transitive wave space forcing.. Thus, blah blah-blah blah popsicle headache later, said deepening results over the eastern continent, and is pretty nicely illustrated in the GEFs mean. You can even get a semblance of a negative mid tropospheric well lifting up along the eastern seaboard;  from this range that vagueness is important because if/when fits the Date Line to west coast argument, which it does. 

I like the notions also put forth by the MJO desk yesterday, too - that can add some idea to the correction in the 12z to elevate the PNA, as being something that may be emerging and will positively feed back on this...  interesting

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