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Snow Friday 1/19/24: is it a period of light snow (less than 2"), or is there a chance of a 5" swath in part of the NYC subforum? Event OBS.


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33 minutes ago, TJW014 said:

They're banking on high ratios from wet bulbing (14:1-17:1, possibly up to 20:1) to get what they are calling for. Don't think mixing will be an issue for Coastal Monmouth, so that shouldn't cut back anything for you. LBI and coastal areas south have a better chance at mixing/rain

I don't know what his reasoning is, but Lee Goldberg has the mix line all the way up to southern Monmouth County.  He said the best snowfall will be in inland Monmouth and Ocean counties about 5-10 miles away from the ocean as well as Middlesex County. He said within a mile or two of the ocean in those counties may only see 1-2 inches of snow while 5-10 miles inland of there could see up to 6 inches of snow.

 

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24 minutes ago, Irish said:

You can't make this stuff up. I'm in Old Bridge with a WWA, 2 minutes north of Manalapan, 5 minutes north of Englishtown, and 15 minutes north of Freehold, which all have WSW.

Middlesex, Somerset, Hunterdon, and Morris, at a minimum, need to be split in half, like so many other counties in the NWS CWA system already have been.  If they can split tiny Essex and Union, surely they can do these - that would likely put you in a warning as the areas on both sides of the border are forecast to get 3-7"...

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25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I don't know what his reasoning is, but Lee Goldberg has the mix line all the way up to southern Monmouth County.  He said the best snowfall will be in inland Monmouth and Ocean counties about 5-10 miles away from the ocean as well as Middlesex County. He said within a mile or two of the ocean in those counties may only see 1-2 inches of snow while 5-10 miles inland of there could see up to 6 inches of snow.

 

State offices off tomorrow and Rutgers online...

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On 1/16/2024 at 9:13 AM, donsutherland1 said:

That's actually 716 days. It will likely reach 717 days today, as I doubt we'll reach 2" daily snowfall today. It will be a close call, though.

 

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

Here's the 2" record (through today):

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Weird, I was tracking this on a local database and I thought the old record was from 3-15-1900 - 2-16-1902. 

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2 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Where are they getting these forecasts from. Models don't show more than 3" across the entire area. 

I would go with 1-3" area wide with local spots further south at 2-4"

The wettest model is around .15" so we'd need 20:1 to get to 3 so its doable but with the confluence/dry air there's high bust potential. So many schools are canceling or doing early dismissals, would be weird if kids left school early for a dusting

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4 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Where are they getting these forecasts from. Models don't show more than 3" across the entire area. 

I would go with 1-3" area wide with local spots further south at 2-4"

Yeah that’s had me scratching my head. 4-6 inch WSW for me, but nothing is showing that. Must be betting on high ratio snowfall? Idk. 

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34 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

The wettest model is around .15" so we'd need 20:1 to get to 3 so its doable but with the confluence/dry air there's high bust potential. So many schools are canceling or doing early dismissals, would be weird if kids left school early for a dusting

It comes down to lawsuits.  That's the gist of it.   Friends and family in my generation always ask why school is dismissed or cancelled for seemingly benign weather events.  It's always about liability, and the general trend to be more cautious.   Not necessarily a bad thing, except for those who need to make last minute arrangements for childcare.  Times change.   It will be interesting to see whether the bullish forecasts by NWS verify.  They have the tools and expertise, so who am I to doubt them.  

 

I respect the risk evaluation system they have created, similarly to that of the Coast Guard.  Human life is valued and more heavily weighted in these equations. 

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It comes down to lawsuits.  That's the gist of it.   Friends and family in my generation always ask why school is dismissed or cancelled for seemingly benign weather events.  It's always about liability, and the general trend to be more cautious.   Not necessarily a bad thing, except for those who need to make last minute arrangements for childcare.  Times change.   It will be interesting to see whether the bullish forecasts by NWS verify.  They have the tools and expertise, so who am I to doubt them.  
 
I respect the risk evaluation system they have created, similarly to that of the Coast Guard.  Human life is valued and more heavily weighted in these equations. 




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New York City, Newark, and nearby areas remain in line for 1"-3" of snow. Philadelphia and a swath of central New Jersey will likely see 3"-5" with some locally higher amounts of up to 6". The central and northern Hudson Valley will see a coating to an inch of snow.

EPS and NBE Numbers:

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WPC Snowfall Probability Maps:

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For those who are interested in water temperatures in the near coastal zone, I have 1st hand Data from this morning.  

 

I responded to a commercial vessel out or barnegat that was having steering issues and wanted a simple escort back through the Inlet on a strong ebb tide this morning.   

 

Surface bay water was a chilly 33.5 degrees.  I met the vessel around 6 miles off and had a water temp of 41.  Buoy 44091 was hovering around 44.5 (14 miles off.)  The vessel was returning from 65 miles off, inside of the Lindenkol Canyon and had 54.

 

These temps remind me of 2015/2016, before our epic freeze. 

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12 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

South shore of LI is just outside “the zone” all we need is a few miles for south shore to get in on the 3-6 

BEC from Brightwaters Deli on me if we can pull it off 

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35 minutes ago, dseagull said:

It comes down to lawsuits.  That's the gist of it.   Friends and family in my generation always ask why school is dismissed or cancelled for seemingly benign weather events.  It's always about liability, and the general trend to be more cautious.   Not necessarily a bad thing, except for those who need to make last minute arrangements for childcare.  Times change.   It will be interesting to see whether the bullish forecasts by NWS verify.  They have the tools and expertise, so who am I to doubt them.  

 

I respect the risk evaluation system they have created, similarly to that of the Coast Guard.  Human life is valued and more heavily weighted in these equations. 

Good post.

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