beanskip Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Rare 70-knot lower level jet with sub 990-low and warm front pushing ashore. Even shy of severe threat, looks like non-storm related straight line winds that could gust over 50 mph. Storm warnings for 13-15 foot swells. Basically, a rare, major event for western Florida, among other places. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Rare 70-knot lower level jet with sub 990-low and warm front pushing ashore. Even shy of severe threat, looks like non-storm related straight line winds that could gust over 50 mph. Storm warnings for 13-15 foot swells. Basically, a rare, major event for western Florida, among other places. Going to be very interesting for sure over the next two-ish days! . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Rare 70-knot lower level jet with sub 990-low and warm front pushing ashore. Even shy of severe threat, looks like non-storm related straight line winds that could gust over 50 mph. Storm warnings for 13-15 foot swells. Basically, a rare, major event for western Florida, among other places. I don’t post much anymore except for tropical weather, and Mnt snow but this caught my eye and brought me over here. The Mets at MOB are great with severe weather and I don’t think I’ve seen an AFD like this from them ever! Very rare conditions for these part. Sorry for the long post but here is the disco…NEAR TERM...(Now through Tuesday Night)Issued at 413 PM CST Sun Jan 7 2024Where to begin. Probably with the fact that with the currenttrends, we have leaned towards higher confidence in an extremelyhigh impact event for our area. Very strong winds, potentiallymoderate coastal flooding, high marine impacts and the potentialfor a significant severe thunderstorm event including damagingwinds and potentially a couple significant (EF-2+) tornadoes.Honestly when you put all the potential impacts together thiscould be one of the more impactful non- tropical systems we everhad. Take this system seriously!Synoptic Overview...A rather potent upper low will eject into theOhio River valley Monday into Tuesday night. The impressive natureof this system continues to be represented within ensembleguidance with 500 Mb heights at a climatological min within theECMWF, meaning this is an anomalously deep low. With anomalouslydeep lows usually come very strong jet dynamics and right nowlooking at a 110 to 120 knot jet streak developing around the baseof the upper low late Monday night into early Tuesday morning.Little further down a powerful 70 to 80 knot 850 mb jet willdevelop over our area during the same time and unfortunatelytrends within the higher resolution guidance have even hinted atincreasing to 85+ knots. This is relatively rare territory even insome of our more impactful events. At the surface, these intensedynamics will allow for a powerful surface low to deepen into theupper 980s as it lifts across northeastern Arkansas. Expect rainto likely begin Monday afternoon as the synoptic warm front liftsnorthward and persisting throughout the overnight hours. Rain maybecome intermittent for a brief period before the final line ofstorms pushes through early Tuesday morning likely clearing out aswe approach the noon Tuesday timeframe. Given how dynamic thissystem is we expect a plethora of hazards to come.Severe...Unfortunately, things trended the wrong way for usamongst the high resolution guidance and the makings of asignificant severe thunderstorm threat appears on our doorstep. Asmentioned in yesterdays afd, extreme environments tend to end inextreme results and the expected environment is quickly trendingtowards extreme. Going into yesterday the limiting factor was theinstability. As worried, the proximity to rich Gulf Moisturecoupled with the intense low level wind field should have noissued working instability inland across our area as the marineboundary lifts northward. All the high resolution guidance hasaround 1000 J/KG of MLCape making its way to the highway 84corridor with some guidance hinting at near 2000 J/KG near theI-10 corridor and has trended upward with time. Not great Bob,when that was suppose to be the limiting factor. On top of theinstability the shear will be ludicrous with that 80 knot LLJ. 0-1KM SRH values in the warm sector are hovering around the 500 to600 m2/s2 with insane low level curvature and high streamwisecomponent. It would be immature to not at least mention thatsometimes these shear environments can be too much especially withlower amounts of instability much like last years; however,intense jet dynamics in the right entrance region of the upper jetwill likely overcome all of those issues. Expect two rounds ofsevere weather to be possible with both capable of significantsevere. The first round is a little more conditional asinstability and synoptic ascent will be more limited compared toround two. However, this round will be along the lifting marineboundary around midnight. This will likely involve embeddedsupercells lifting with the boundary leading to the potential fordamaging winds and tornadoes. Given the shear environment and theboundary, a strong tornado cannot be ruled out. Then the real showarrives shortly after and persists through the overnight in theform of a rather strong QLCS. This heavily forced squall line willonly intensify as the upper jet overspreads and the LLJincreases. The combination of strong kinematics and low levelinstability with 0-3km cape values likely approaching 100k/kg ormore will support strong vertical stretching in a incredibly richvorticity environment. QLCS tornadoes will likely be common withthis line including the potential for a few strong QLCS tornadoes(EF-2+). Along with the tornadoes, strong damaging winds will alsobe likely with wind gusts in excess of 70 mph given 850 and 925mb winds will already be high. This has the potential to be arather intense severe event occurring overnight. Be sure tocontinue to stay updated and have multiple ways to receivewarnings that are battery operated and charged as power may go outwell before severe thunderstorms arrive.Beach/Coastal Hazards....Given the anomalously low pressures andtight gradient winds it will be outright howling across the marinewaters. Winds have only trended upward since yesterday. Given theincredibly long fetch of strong winds, seas will quickly climb tohigh surf warning criteria. Surf heights along the coast Mondaynight through Tuesday will likely approach 10 feet plus leading tolikely beach erosion, life threatening surf and rip currents andlikely coastal overwash along flood prone barrier islands. On topof the intense wave action, strong low level winds will also pushwater leading to coastal flooding. Current PETSS guidance supportsat least solid coastal flooding and with current trends we arequickly approaching coastal flood warning criteria Monday eveningfor Mobile Bay. For now the plan will be for a coastal floodadvisory in the coming packages as confidence increases and wewill have to monitor closely for a possible coastal flood warning.Nonetheless, the usual flood prone areas should expect at leastminor to possibly moderate coastal flooding and overwashing.Wind Impacts...As if the rest of the discussion didn`t spell itout, it is going to be windy. Winds have trended upward with mostof the area likely seeing gusts up to 50 mph even as far inland ashighway 84. Along the coast winds will be peaked with gusts up to60 mph possible as the strong low level jet and instability moveinland. A rather rare high wind warning has been issued for thecoastal areas with a high end wind advisory for the remainder ofthe area. The compounding impacts of increased winds, weekendtrees from the last few months of drought and rainfall saturatingthe soil will likely lead to trees coming down across the area.Power outages will be possible well before any severethunderstorms arrive which could lead to a nasty combination.Charge battery powered methods of receiving warnings before goingto bed and be sure to secure loose items outside.Heavy Rainfall Impacts...Confidence in rainfall happening is highbut the heavy rainfall and flooding does It seem as likely outsideof maybe a few urban areas. PWATS will steadily climb in advanceof the system and elevated instability north of the lifting warmfront Monday evening will allow for a shot for some heavier rain.The issues are 1. we are still dry from the last few months. 2.the rather quick moving nature, especially with the second linecould force things to be fully rate driven and not sure we get therates long enough to overcome our relatively high flash floodguidance. If that first round of rain Monday evening is strongerand or the warm front gets hung up along the coast, then we mightsee some minor flash flood concerns develop. Right now the bestarea for heaviest rain is across southeastern Mississippi beforethe eventual squall line gets moving east. This is honestly arather low confidence flooding situation and will likely be drivenheavily on the progression of the warm front and rain rates.All and all Monday night into Tuesday looks to be impactful forour area with or without strong thunderstorms. The environment hascontinued to come together the full gambit of impacts arebecoming likely. Keep up to date with this system as potentialimpacts may change as we get more details. BB/03. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanskip Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 "Not great Bob." 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 "Not great Bob." :lol:Reminds me of the GSP crew back in the day!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Yep it is going to be a wild ride all the way up to NC tomorrow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 YIKES!!!National Weather Service Mobile AL345 PM CST Mon Jan 8 2024...New NEAR TERM, SHORT TERM, LONG TERM, MARINE....NEAR TERM...(Now through Tuesday)Issued at 345 PM CST Mon Jan 8 2024No mincing words here, our concerns for the overnight periodtonight is serious. A incredibly impactful system has begun acrossour area and conditions will rapidly deteriorate throughout thenight. The potential for significant severe appears likely acrossmost of the area including the potential for several significanttornadoes (EF-2+) and damaging winds in excess of 70 mph. Whilethe current severe risk is at an enhanced, the ceiling of thisenvironment could easily support a more significant severe threatand only minor confidence questions are holding back from highersevere probs. Nonetheless, these confidences may not improve untilwe see the white of its eyes and this event needs to be treatedseriously. On top of significant severe, intense wind gusts of 50to 60 mph, minor to moderate coastal flooding and extremely highsurf will all be possible overnight tonight. Coastal and windimpacts will likely be on the higher end for non-tropical systemsfor the Mobile area.I`ll keep the synoptics short here as by this point its aboutsmall scale things and impacts. I think we all understand by thispoint there`s a rather strong system moving through.Severe Threat...The makings of a significant severe thunderstormthreat looks likely tonight and into Tuesday morning. An intenselow level jet will usher plenty of warm air and rich Gulf moistureinto the area with temperatures/dew points rising nearly 20degrees over the next 18 hours. These factors will likely have noissue working instability inland across our area as the marineboundary lifts northward. All the high resolution guidancecontinues to have around 1000 J/KG of MLCape making its way tothe highway 84 corridor with some guidance hinting at near 2000J/KG near the I-10 corridor. On top of the instability the shearwill be absolutely insane with 0-1 KM SRH values in the warmsector hovering around the 500 to 700 m2/s2 and with no surprise,forecast soundings continue to indicate very significant lowlevel curvature. Intense jet dynamics in the right entranceregion of the upper jet will likely lead to widespread convectivecoverage beginning around midnight, likely overcoming the intenseshear allowing for storms to rapidly organize. This event will gofrom 0 to 100 very quickly as the upper jet moves in and theintense low level jet increases. Rain will likely begin wellbefore the severe weather arrives and things will likely go fromshowers and a few elevated thunderstorms to numerous severe stormsin a couple hours. DO NOT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN BEFORE MIDNIGHT.Expect two possibly three rounds of severe weather to be possiblewith rounds two and three capable of significant severe. Thefirst of three rounds is a little more conditional as the marineboundary moves inland. Given the shear environment, relativelylow freezing level heights and deep EL`s, elevated storms would bepossible with some hail probably around 1 inch in diameter. Thiswill likely occur prior to midnight and in the grand scheme ofthings this threat is a mole hill compared to the mountain ahead.The second round is when things will begin to rapidly go downhillas the clock strikes midnight (or around that time). Recent highres-guidance continues to uptrend in the possibility of a fewdiscrete to semi-discrete supercells developing along aconfluence band ahead of the main line as the marine boundarylifts north shortly around midnight or just after. Given the shearenvironment and the boundary, this environment would be more thansupportive of strong tornadoes and if these cells truly are ableto take full advantage of the environment then the ceiling may behigher. The big question for higher end potential is can thesestorms sustain themselves with a lot of cell interactions,intense shear, modest but quickly increasing instability and staywithin the optimal boundary spot to remain tornado producers.Unfortunately, some of our strongest tornadoes locally haveoccurred in environments along these marine boundaries and warmfronts when they are able to sustain themselves within theoptimal boundary mode. While we are still unsure about thispotential, the high impact nature of this period warrants greatconcern and if confidence continues to increase this would likelybe the driving force into any potential severe upgrades headinginto the evening.Then final punch will arrives shortly after round two in the 2 amto 8am timeframe in the form of a rather strong QLCS. Thisheavily forced squall line will only intensify as the upper jetoverspreads and the LLJ increases. The combination of strongkinematics and low level instability with 0- 3km cape valueslikely approaching 100k/kg or more will support strong verticalstretching in a incredibly rich vorticity environment. Thisenvironment will truly peak east of I-65 across the westernFlorida Panhandle and into south central Alabama. Based off recentresearch this environment will be primed for QLCS tornadoes andgiven the upper echelon shear environment, strong QLCS tornadoes(EF-2+) could be possible. Along with the tornadoes, strongdamaging winds will also be likely with wind gusts in excess of 70mph given 850 and 925 mb winds will already be high. This has thepotential to be a rather intense severe event occurringovernight. Be sure to continue to stay updated and have multipleways to receive warnings that are battery operated and charged aspower may go out well before severe thunderstorms arrive.Wind Impacts...An extremely tight pressure gradient will developover the area through tonight as the surface low pressure drops intothe upper 980s. This will result in very windy conditions. Windshave already been gusting to 30 mph across the area this afternoonand are expected to increase into the evening. Winds well offshorehave continued to climb with gusts to near 55 mph already. Thesewinds will steadily move towards the coast this evening. A highend Wind Advisory has been issued for much of the area for windgusts of 40-50 mph. Winds will be even higher along the coast withgusts up to 60 mph possible late tonight and early Tuesdaymorning as a powerful low level jet pushes into the area. A ratherrare High Wind Warning has been issued for these coastal areas.The compounding impacts of increased winds and ongoing rainfall tosaturate the soil will make trees and power lines moresusceptible to being blown over outside of any thunderstorms.Because of this, power outages will be possible well before anysevere thunderstorms arrive so it is very important to havemultiple ways to receive warnings overnight. Be sure to chargebattery powered methods of receiving warnings before going to bedand be sure to secure loose items outside.Beach/Coastal Hazards....Very strong onshore flow will result indangerous rip currents and extremely high surf conditions at allarea beaches. Surf heights of 10 to 15 feet are expected and willlikely lead to beach erosion and coastal overwash along floodprone barrier islands. A High risk of Rip Currents is in effectthrough early this week and a High Surf Warning remains in effectthrough Wednesday morning. On top of the intense wave action,strong and persistent low level winds will push water inlandleading to coastal flooding. The current forecast supports solidcoastal flooding with coastal flood warning conditions potentiallyoccurring within Mobile Bay. Given that these strong low leveljet scenarios tend to over perform with coastal flooding, we wentahead and upgraded Mobile Bay to a Coastal Flood Warning. Expectpotentially moderate coastal flooding across most of the barrierislands and Mobile Bay.Heavy Rainfall... PWATS will steadily climb in advance of the systemwith values approaching the climatological maximum for this time ofyear. This moisture combined with better instability will result insome heavier rain rates this afternoon and overnight. Storms will becapable of producing heavy rainfall in a short period of time, butgiven the progressive nature and the fact that we are still in adrought, there is still low confidence in significant floodingimpacts. Most areas will likely see 2-4 inches of rainfall nowthrough Tuesday with some areas potentially picking up 6 inches inthis time frame. A localized advisory or warning cannot be ruledout.This is about as serious as it gets across our area with respectsto impacts. Please remain weather aware tonight and have anemergency plan in place. Be sure to have a way to receivewarnings that will wake you up and quickly go to your safe place.Prep your safe place now as power outages might make thingsdifficult tonight. Trust us we do not want to be issuing tornadowarnings at 4 am either and hopefully things find a way to pan outto the better. We will be right here with you through the night!BB/03. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanskip Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 I've seen hurricane AFDs not written that ominously! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Penland Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Would not want to be under this line. All kinds of imbedded rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Penland Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 This beast just came ashore a tick west of PCB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The Mariana supercell is a dangerous one for sure moving into SW GA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Some sporty weather here in Navarre but overall an under performer for us in the west. Things cranking up as the line moves east of Okaloosa County. Stay safe Skip!!!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Possible tornado in Panama City Beach this morning. .https://x.com/jimmypatronis/status/1744738611122389464?s=46&t=0ZvB_AF2VfA6c0SDxf53yA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The Mariana supercell is a dangerous one for sure moving into SW GA.Indeed!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Penland Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Continuous line of severe storms from VA line to the gulf.Incredible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanLarsen34 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 We are fortunate that this system wasn’t a few hours slower. There are several discrete tornadic supercells just off the coast of NC at the moment with intense couplets. That being said, a few of these may continue to make landfall and impact the coast before the evening is over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazwoper Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 How rare is it to have super cells with large imbedded tornadoes forming off the cost of the Carolinas and making landfall in mid January. Serious question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SENC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, DanLarsen34 said: We are fortunate that this system wasn’t a few hours slower. There are several discrete tornadic supercells just off the coast of NC at the moment with intense couplets. That being said, a few of these may continue to make landfall and impact the coast before the evening is over. Brother had a "intense" couplet come ashore here in Surf city,, taking out alot of trees.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 PCB confirmed at EF-3….ouch!https://x.com/nwstallahassee/status/1745252730929877365?s=46&t=0ZvB_AF2VfA6c0SDxf53yA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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