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For RDU El Niños that were moderate or stronger: snowfall:

-31 winters since 1888-9

-Nov avg SN: 0.2”

-Dec avg SN: 0.9”

-Jan 1-20 avg SN: 1.1”

-Jan 21-31 avg SN: 0.9”

-Feb avg SN: 2.4”

-Mar avg SN: 1.7”

-Apr avg SN: 0.4”

-Nov-Jan 20 avg SN: 2.2”

-Jan 21-Apr avg SN: 5.4”

-So, only 29% of SN through Jan 20th & 71% Jan 21st+

-Thus, a very long way to go.

-Regarding 6”+ storms, median date not til Feb 10-11

-More 6”+ events in Mar than Feb or Jan!

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GSP's morning AFD on next week'sa potential event.  The forecaster put is about as good as you could...

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interesting set up is showing up in guidance by D7, but still a
lot more questions than answers this far out before going into
the nitty gritty details as differences between model guidance
suggests they don`t know what the heck is going to happen with
the sensible weather beyond this upcoming weekend. Temperatures
are expected to begin the period at or slightly above normal on
Friday before below-normal values settle in through the rest of
the medium range following Friday`s system.
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15 minutes ago, CaryWx said:

How long did those nino's hold though?  Isn't ours weakening fast?  Read we are headed quickly towards a nina in Spring.

No, it is the opposite. The daily is still high end strong. That’s a good bit stronger than the average for being almost in mid January. My stats don’t even consider whether or not El Niño weakens quickly.

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EPS mean is way SE of the OP with the low track. Members are all over the map, so no real consensus forming at this point. If you take the GFS progressive bias and the Euro's amplification bias, an in the middle solution might work for a light/moderate event for at least part of the forum. I'm not leaning one way or the other at this point, there's probably still big model shifts coming as these two big storms set the playing field.

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11 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

The Op Euro warms up quickly after the miss next week. Not a good look

Looks temporary. Blocks still in place and another shot on its way SE with PNA starting to push north. IMG_0862.thumb.png.2679034907968fd4e24718d1dd454760.png

With that block and 50/50 in place, if the PNA can pump enough for a wave to dig I'd say that's a threatening look for around the 20th. 

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2 minutes ago, SnowDawg said:

Looks temporary. Blocks still in place and another shot on its way SE with PNA starting to push north. IMG_0862.thumb.png.2679034907968fd4e24718d1dd454760.png

With that block and 50/50 in place, if the PNA can pump enough for a wave to dig I'd say that's a threatening look for around the 20th. 

Will the cold make it over the apps though

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5 minutes ago, CaryWx said:

Will the cold make it over the apps though

Your guess is as good as mine. We're talking OP models at 10 days, we'd be just as well off throwing cans of blue and orange paint agaisnt the wall.

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2 minutes ago, SnowDawg said:

Your guess is as good as mine. We're talking OP models at 10 days, we'd be just as well off throwing cans of blue and orange paint agaisnt the wall.

The threat next week is 7 days or less now though. Models are all jackpotting middle TN right now. Hopefully the cold push will be stronger. 

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7 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

The threat next week is 7 days or less now though. Models are all jackpotting middle TN right now. Hopefully the cold push will be stronger. 

 We get it. That storm is likely not going to give you what you want. But the winter/early spring in WNC is likely not hanging on it. There’s still a very long way to go, especially with it being a strong Nino.

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1 minute ago, GaWx said:

 We get it. That storm is likely not going to give you what you want. But the winter/early spring in WNC is likely not hanging on it. There’s still a very long way to go, especially with it being a strong Nino.

We can't afford to keep wasting opportunities or getting close calls.

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EPS again says it's too early at this point to give up on the threat. Mean low pressure track is south and east of the OP. Many members are establishing a defined low as early as the northern gulf/FL panhandle area. Then it's a mixed bag of inland and offshore tracks. Snow means increased a bit over the mountains from 0z. IMG_0867.gif.67510124392ae2bb79a725245e4b689b.gif

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