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Mid to Long Range Discussion ~ 2024


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I think at minimum the 4th-6th is the first period to watch to see if we can get some members to start to cluster around anything. Right now there is definitely a small signal in the noise, but still far too many scenarios on the table to draw any conclusions. 12z EPS showed these at the same time, I'll take it at this lead.IMG_3637.png.ec7c68771232101e85d106344954c907.pngIMG_3638.png.ec5cb6642acf9a89330a0c27ebc37224.png

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8 hours ago, wncsnow said:

Cold,  dry NW flow. Trough orientation still too far NE. Mountains will have chances with clippers and NW flow but the rest of us will be dry unless that trough orientation changes and we can fire up the subtropical jet. 

Yep. I don’t get the excitement. More of the same from last year. Folks get excited by the cold air but no moisture. Don’t worry though, it’ll swing back through after the cold air leaves. 

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23 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

It’s gotten so bad that I’m hoping for a couple hours of freezing drizzle in the morning. And even that is a long shot now. Ops dumping cold into Midwest should scare everyone 

If I am correct today marks 1059 days since the last measurable snow in Raleigh.

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1 hour ago, wncsnow said:

The Operational models are backing off the cold already. If the ensembles start to follow it could be another case of misled hope. 

 The last few GFS suites especially have trended toward the initial cold in January coming down further west vs what was showing late last week through early yesterday. Hoping that would be temporary or better yet a head-fake. Interesting times in the forecasting discussion world!

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26 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 The last few GFS suites especially have trended toward the initial cold in January coming down further west vs what was showing late last week through early yesterday. Hoping that would be temporary or better yet a head-fake. Interesting times in the forecasting discussion world!

La Nina cold usually dumps in the northern plains so it makes sense. 

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15 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

La Nina cold usually dumps in the northern plains so it makes sense. 

The MJO forecasts are what make me think the recent GFS suite trend is mainly a head fake or temporary at worst and that the E US will likely be dominated by cold in much of Jan 1-20+. Fingers crossed.

*Edit: Also the (near) record Dec +PNA for cold ENSO is encouraging for Jan +PNA prospects per analogs.

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