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Mid to Long Range Discussion ~ 2024


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Long range GFS has falsely turned warm in the long range at least twice this month alone. As for the snow chances, the ensembles never budged, shoulda been a dead giveaway there was nothing much there. For now the ridge axis out west just seems too broad, which in turn is pushing our trough too far east. 

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4 minutes ago, SnowDawg said:

Long range GFS has falsely turned warm in the long range at least twice this month alone. As for the snow chances, the ensembles never budged, shoulda been a dead giveaway there was nothing much there. For now the ridge axis out west just seems too broad, which in turn is pushing our trough too far east. 

I’m not worried about long range but that pre Christmas chance has evaporated with most guidance consolidating LP in the MA. Looking more and more like a cold front then warmup.

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36 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

I’m not worried about long range but that pre Christmas chance has evaporated with most guidance consolidating LP in the MA. Looking more and more like a cold front then warmup.

That's the thing, according to the ensmbles there was never much of a chance to begin with. OP would show a big run and the GEFS would never budge. Gotta remember the true randomness of the op runs and compare them to their ensemble suites before getting worked up. Easier said than done I know, I'm just as guilty as anyone lol.

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2 hours ago, NorthHillsWx said:

This snow drought is remarkable. Not only has it not snowed, but it hasn’t been close to snowing 

I can't even remember the last time we were under a winter storm watch or warning. Probably January 2022. 

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24 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

I can't even remember the last time we were under a winter storm watch or warning. Probably January 2022. 

That was such an underrated event in our neck of the woods. Saw a little bit of everything and the snow over-performed. Looking back at pictures - roughly 6 ish inches of snow, a nice crust of sleet and a very minimal glaze to top it all off. 

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I would also say for the pre-christmas days despite the ensembles not being enthused yet, and the op runs backing off a touch, it's certainly still close enough to keep an eye on. Despite this drought making it feel otherwise, I'd say most of our winter events in the past, other than the true big dogs, trend towards us inside the last 120-144 hours or so and we reel them in right up to the end. Small adjustments in the ridge/trough alignment and the different pieces of energy could still make a big difference. I know I'd be happy just to see some token flurries around Christmas. 

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7 hours ago, NorthHillsWx said:

If you like cold weather, the last 24 hours was not the trend you want 

Indeed, the 0Z GFS is significantly warmer for 12/19-20 than almost all other runs the last few days. But cheer up, today’s Euro Weeklies were the coldest run yet for Jan 6-12. ;)
 

Edit: However, the consensus has also cooled some for 12/22-5/6.

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30 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

Chasing week 5+ weeklies already…

Hello darkness my old friend…

Already chasing that white whale in mid December. The Weeklies were so bad last winter I'm not sure I care what they say. 

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 I’m trying to figure out why the 12Z Euro is so much colder in the SE vs the 12Z GFS 12/22-7 on WxBell. Does that look right? Of course this is days 7-12 (much of it in fantasyland for an operational) and thus don’t buy how ridiculously cold it is at 2 meters, especially on these WxBell maps. The 850s are similar to TT’s, regardless. The 2 meters aren’t out there yet.

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49 minutes ago, GaWx said:

 I’m trying to figure out why the 12Z Euro is so much colder in the SE vs the 12Z GFS 12/22-7 on WxBell. Does that look right? Of course this is days 7-12 (much of it in fantasyland for an operational) and thus don’t buy how ridiculously cold it is at 2 meters, especially on these WxBell maps. The 850s are similar to TT’s, regardless. The 2 meters aren’t out there yet.

Well even on pivotal it's much colder. Not just the maps on wxbell. The EUROAI has been showing this shot from time to time and even the gfs has also. 

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