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Mid to Long Range Discussion ~ 2024


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1 hour ago, Upstate Tiger said:

Big coastal storm being shown for late week 1 in November for several runs in a row.  Maybe can usher in a pattern change.  Lots of cold air during this period over western Canada and the NW US, typical of Nina.

Another La Nina gives RDU a real shot at the snowfall futility record of zeroing out 3 years in a row.

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1 hour ago, buckeyefan1 said:

A fond memory :P  

Lots of records being broken lately. Longest snow drought (will be 3 years in January) most rainfall in a month, highest river gauges in history, and now working on the longest stretch with no rainfall in history. 

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12 hours ago, wncsnow said:

Lots of records being broken lately. Longest snow drought (will be 3 years in January) most rainfall in a month, highest river gauges in history, and now working on the longest stretch with no rainfall in history. 

I am just glad the dry spell we currently have did not occur during the July Aug  with 100 degree days and 70's humidity to deal with. Hopefully a change in the pattern comes about. These model runs from day to day are depressive to say the least.

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5 hours ago, Occluded Front said:

I am just glad the dry spell we currently have did not occur during the July Aug  with 100 degree days and 70's humidity to deal with. Hopefully a change in the pattern comes about. These model runs from day to day are depressive to say the least.

We picked up just 0.54” in June and had 5 days over 100… It’s been a year for extremes 

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3 hours ago, WinstonSalemArlington said:

Do you dare believe?

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With all due respect, I don’t believe because:

1) This is just a control run of the extremely unreliable CFS looking out 1-3 months, which is of virtually no value.

2) Worse yet is that WeatherBell versions of the CFS have been found to be substantially too cold in the E US vs other versions of the CFS including the NWS’ version, itself, and those from Tropical Tidbits. This has to be due to flawed Weather Bell algorithms and is nothing new. There have been numerous posts about this at AmericanWx though maybe not ITT.

3) Not only are these maps much colder than what the model really shows. But they’re also flawed in that they always have a cold spot in southern Lake Michigan and a warm spot over N Lake Michigan/Michigan.

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On 10/24/2024 at 8:04 PM, buckeyefan1 said:

A fond memory :P  

I must have memory issues setting in. I don't remember. Seems like I do remember my dad talking about it once. Seems like he mentioned walking two miles to school uphill both ways in five foot drifts. 

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3 hours ago, KChuck said:

I must have memory issues setting in. I don't remember. Seems like I do remember my dad talking about it once. Seems like he mentioned walking two miles to school uphill both ways in five foot drifts. 

He told the truth. Times were tough way back during the frozen golden years of my younger days :( Heck, it was so cold and snowy back in the day, that the Ohio river froze two winters in a row and I walked across it both times :P 

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6 minutes ago, buckeyefan1 said:

He told the truth. Times were tough way back during the frozen golden years of my younger days :( Heck, it was so cold and snowy back in the day, that the Ohio river froze two winters in a row and I walked across it both times :P 

I Remember those late 70's Winter's well. Rivers were frozen and snow covered. Deep Ponds were frozen so thick you could walk across them . For a teenaged snow lover those were like a child living in Toyland.

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2 minutes ago, Daniel Boone said:

I Remember those late 70's Winter's well. Rivers were frozen and snow covered. Deep Ponds were frozen so thick you could walk across them . For a teenaged snow lover those were like a child living in Toyland.

Right!? Those were the days :wub:  

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Over the past 50 years, the average first freeze for RDU is October 30.  However, if you restrict it to the last 15 years, the average is almost mid-November.  
The latest on record is November 28 which was 2009.

I don't see anything promising over the next 10 days or so.  

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11 hours ago, PackGrad05 said:

Over the past 50 years, the average first freeze for RDU is October 30.  However, if you restrict it to the last 15 years, the average is almost mid-November.  
The latest on record is November 28 which was 2009.

I don't see anything promising over the next 10 days or so.  

Just read where Mt. Fuji is without a snowcap going into November for the first time since official records started being kept 130 years ago.  It normally has a snow cap by October 5.  This fall is reminding me a lot of 2016 :thumbsdown:

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14 hours ago, buckeyefan1 said:

He told the truth. Times were tough way back during the frozen golden years of my younger days :( Heck, it was so cold and snowy back in the day, that the Ohio river froze two winters in a row and I walked across it both times :P 

Buckeye Fan.....where are you from?   I did as well.   1976-1978.

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21 minutes ago, UpStateCAD said:

Buckeye Fan.....where are you from?   I did as well.   1976-1978.

What!? Yasssss!! We lived in Xenia until the tornado took us out and then West Carrollton before moving west to Texas then Arizona. The Dayton area and I still have family there. Where did you live? Those two winters were awesome and the snow stayed until after my birthday in April each year :lol: 

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6 hours ago, buckeyefan1 said:

What!? Yasssss!! We lived in Xenia until the tornado took us out and then West Carrollton before moving west to Texas then Arizona. The Dayton area and I still have family there. Where did you live? Those two winters were awesome and the snow stayed until after my birthday in April each year :lol: 

I grew up in the upstate of SC.  76-83 were all awesome for snow lovers.  Became more and more sporadic after that run. Difference then was cold would last for long periods of time and snow would linger for weeks.  The last comparable winter would be 95-96 for the upstate.  

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1 hour ago, Upstate Tiger said:

I grew up in the upstate of SC.  76-83 were all awesome for snow lovers.  Became more and more sporadic after that run. Difference then was cold would last for long periods of time and snow would linger for weeks.  The last comparable winter would be 95-96 for the upstate.  

The most snow I've ever had in SC was in Feb of 2010 when I lived in Gaston. I got 9" of winter bliss out of .43 of liquid and it was completely melted and dry before lunch  :lol:  

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1 hour ago, buckeyefan1 said:

The most snow I've ever had in SC was in Feb of 2010 when I lived in Gaston. I got 9" of winter bliss out of .43 of liquid and it was completely melted and dry before lunch  :lol:  

I remember that storm.  I was at Myrtle Beach.  Got 5” and it was gone by breakfast.  

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November is almost definitely going to be way above average. This winter will likely follow suit. Any snow outside the mountains will be thread the needle type deals per usual. Most of the foothills and western piedmont of NC are already in their longest snow drought in recorded history.

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