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You can tell it hasn't snowed in 2 years in here :lol:  

 

Seriously though, there's a good signal as we head into spring. Will we get what we want? I sure hope so because ya'll will be fighting each other to be the first one over the cliff :cliff:  

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9 minutes ago, BooneWX said:

If anyone buys the OP GFS outside of 72 hrs, I’ve got some oceanfront property in Murphy I could sell ya

You can bet some weather outlets go with it as well as some Mets. It's beyond anything I can figure. Even on the boards they're raving over it. Used to they'd at least say " it's just happy hour," or it's the GooFuS. 

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1 hour ago, Met1985 said:

Been seeing more and more talk about a major SSW on the way. This by no means is a unicorn but would greatly enhance blocking towards the first of March.IMG_4643.png.ac67b5c3f16bc5dd8254c28de65155ca.jpg

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I’m always torn on hoping for this or not hoping for this. Too much of a push encourages suppression but perhaps it could work out well as we move away from prime climo. 

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One thing is clear. The PNA is going to cooperate. There’s probably no single teleconnection more important than that. I love how tall that ridge becomes too. It should at least give the northern energy more opportunities to dig and mingle with the pieces of energy coming out of the Baja area. 

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1 hour ago, Met1985 said:

18z gfs ens looks good. Remember the longer in time the smoother the composites are. 850t-p105090.conus.jpg850t-p105090.conus (1).jpg

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The 18Z GEFS is easily the best run yet for the SE as a whole. Not only NC does well, but Florence to CAE to Augusta to MCN to Columbus to, believe it or not, far S AL and the FL Panhandle has by far the most snow of any run. Before this run, the largest # of members with FL wintry was 5 (two runs). This run has a whopping 10 in N FL (1/3)! There’s a near 1” mean in the FL Panhandle! This suggests how clueless is the 18Z GFS.

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2 hours ago, Met1985 said:

I would suggest people look at the models verification scores recently also.  The OP GFS has been horrible.  Just putting that data out there.

The GFS is awful. When you are behind the Canadian it's a real shame. Idk why our supercomputers can't come up with better data/modeling. 

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6 and 12z GFS ops were not too far off but the storm has been in the southeast on the Euro and Canadian ops as well.  Details far from clear yet but that along with the synoptic outlook is basically the epitome of what this forum is about.   
 

My guess is that something more definitive will appear in the coming days regarding the 18-20th.  Let’s see, it may ot may not work out.

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10 minutes ago, Leesville Wx Hawk said:

6 and 12z GFS ops were not too far off but the storm has been in the southeast on the Euro and Canadian ops as well.  Details far from clear yet but that along with the synoptic outlook is basically the epitome of what this forum is about.   
 

My guess is that something more definitive will appear in the coming days regarding the 18-20th.  Let’s see, it may ot may not work out.

Can we acknowledge that just a few days ago we were talking 13th-15th and now we’re to 18-20th? Can kicking.

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I never thought VDay was viable  here in northern N or other parts of the sub forum-too warm.   I’m interested in the following storm and beyond as the pac ridge builds back with a good west based -NAO.  If nothing by March 3rd, I will start to really have doubts.  Hopefully this next one will give at least a taste even if snow geese are not fed in parts/ most of sub forum.

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If I'm wrong, I will admit it.  We are tracking fringe fantasy storms 10-14 days out.  We are desperate and I get it. But, it has always turned into rain the last 2 years.  We need really cold air to make it down to these parts and I just don't see it.

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9 minutes ago, Met1985 said:

Seems like with each "update" the model just gets worse.

OTOH, the 0Z CMC is 25-30 F colder just about everywhere from the SE to the Midwest. What the? The CMC at 240 looks to me like it is set up for a big winter storm to affect at least part of the SE soon after!

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The 0Z GEFS is significantly warmer than recent runs. Also, mean low track further north. Will that reduce mean snowfall in especially the deep south?

 Warmest GEFS run in 7 runs. Not what I wanted to see. Still easily far out enough to reverse on near future runs, of course.

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16 minutes ago, GaWx said:

The 0Z GEFS is significantly warmer than recent runs. Also, mean low track further north. Will that reduce mean snowfall in especially the deep south?

I want snow too but I hate to say I was right.  But, we shall see.

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28 minutes ago, Coach McGuirk said:

I want snow too but I hate to say I was right.  But, we shall see.

Yeah, don’t count your chickens too early. My suspicion that the warmer with further N mean low track would mean less SN in the deep S turned out to be confirmed. Way less there and even less up in ATL-AHN corridor. Whereas N FL had a whopping 10 with wintry on the 18Z, the 0Z has only one! But NE GA to NW SC (to CAE) to the NW 3/5 of NC had an increase due to less suppression.

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