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7 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

I just don’t think we will get long favorable windows in a strong Nino imo. NYC missed the first event to the north(white rain to start), under 2 in the second event with higher totals all around and a miss south with the 3rd event that dropped 4-8 in DCA. I just think the city locally was just unlucky not to get more 

15-16 may have been an exception. Some spots had nearly 40” of snow from late January into early February. Then the first below zero reading in NYC on Valentines Day since 94. We would always find ways to score KU events from 09-10 to 17-18.

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2 minutes ago, bluewave said:

15-16 may have been an exception. Some spots had nearly 40” of snow from late January into early February. Then the first below zero reading in NYC on Valentines Day. since 94. We would always find ways to score KU events from 09-10 to 17-18.

I think we get one more favorable look towards the end February. We probably start warm in February then transition to -pna 2/3 week then favorable look to end the month…

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5 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

you make me laugh too. what do you think it’s just gonna be 50 for the rest of the winter? 

12Z GFS thinks so one soaking rain event starting mid week after another through first week of Feb.....

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50 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

I think we get one more favorable look towards the end February. We probably start warm in February then transition to -pna 2/3 week then favorable look to end the month…

step down process right ?

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54 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

I think we get one more favorable look towards the end February. We probably start warm in February then transition to -pna 2/3 week then favorable look to end the month…

2005 had those 3 nice events in a 10 day span to end Feb start March or maybe like 92 we wait til mid march

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3 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

12Z GFS thinks so one soaking rain event starting mid week after another through first week of Feb.....

don’t latch onto long range models and run with them. And don’t latch onto people having an agenda on this site and run with them.

The rest of January looks hostile, and then it looks to ease as we go into early February. 

But its mid winter and anything is possible. With certainty wont be warm thru 3/1

 

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If we’re throwing away 10-14 days at least in our biggest snow climo time of the year that’s never good. Hopefully it’s with fewer raging cutters with coastal and river floods and we can get calmer warmer weather you can somewhat enjoy outside. We can still get big snow late in Feb but after 2/20 or so it gets harder, especially into March unless you’re inland and elevated. Nino March also tends to be warm.

If the Pacific is roaring back into a frenzy that’s enough for me to close the shades. 

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2 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

Here we are on 1/20…..how much snow has NYC had since November 1st, total?

it’s a shit winter no doubt. But to say to the guy that there can’t be a ridge out west three weeks from now is totally ridiculous. and to write off the next 60 days is totally absurd. 

When you get to 3/7 and you see two weeks of warm weather, then you write off the winter. right now we’re still in the game and even a mediocre winter gives its chances.

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18 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

don’t latch onto long range models and run with them. And don’t latch onto people having an agenda on this site and run with them.

The rest of January looks hostile, and then it looks to ease as we go into early February. 

But its mid winter and anything is possible. With certainty wont be warm thru 3/1

 

I believe the 12Z GFS through early Feb - no agenda here.....support comes from the current MJO phases and  Upton has rain latter half of next week for a few days flooding on the way

 
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Lol at his post. We aren’t just magically turning arctic cold again like flipping a light switch after that huge AK vortex and PAC jet extension floods all of Canada and the CONUS with Pacific maritime air. In 2 weeks we are already into February 

You missed my point then. It was a “we’re kind of screwed” post. There’s still no reason we can’t rebuild a pattern by end of Feb into march though.


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24 minutes ago, Heisy said:


You missed my point then. It was a “we’re kind of screwed” post. There’s still no reason we can’t rebuild a pattern by end of Feb into march though.


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Who is saying February is done ? Why are we spiking the ball on January  19?

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1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

If we’re throwing away 10-14 days at least in our biggest snow climo time of the year that’s never good. Hopefully it’s with fewer raging cutters with coastal and river floods and we can get calmer warmer weather you can somewhat enjoy outside. We can still get big snow late in Feb but after 2/20 or so it gets harder, especially into March unless you’re inland and elevated. Nino March also tends to be warm.

If the Pacific is roaring back into a frenzy that’s enough for me to close the shades. 

Strong Nino March’s are notorious for being warmer than normal

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Through 1 pm, snowfall amounts included:

Atlantic City: 1.3"
Baltimore: 4.1"
New York City: 0.1"
Newark: 0.6"
Philadelphia: 2.9"
Washington, DC: 3.3"

There were some 6.0" amounts. Areas receiving 6.0" of snow included Clayton, Dover, and Middletown in Delaware.

Following the storm, the temperature will fall into the teens in New York City tonight and again tomorrow night. Outlying areas could experience some single-digit cold. Tomorrow will be fair but very cold with the mercury struggling to reach the lower and middle 20s across the northern Mid-Atlantic region. Overall, this coming weekend will see this winter's coldest readings so far.

Beyond that, the development of an EPO+/AO+ pattern will lead to a noticeable warming trend that could send temperatures well into the 40s across the region and even into the 50s in parts of the region. This warm period will very likely assure that January will wind up as a warmer than normal month and Winter 2023-24 will become yet another warmer than normal winter in the New York City and Philadelphia areas. The generally mild conditions could continue into the first week of February with only brief interruptions.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.9°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.9°C for the week centered around January 10. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +1.18°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +1.95°C. A basinwide El Niño event is ongoing. The ongoing El Niño event has recently peaked.

The SOI was +20.45 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.535 today. Strong blocking in the final week of November, as occurred this year, has often been followed by frequent blocking in December and January.

On January 17 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 2.729 (RMM). The January 16-adjusted amplitude was 2.667 (RMM).

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 87% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal January (1991-2020 normal). January will likely finish with a mean temperature near 35.8° (2.1° above normal).

 

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1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said:

Through 1 pm, snowfall amounts included:

Atlantic City: 1.3"
Baltimore: 4.1"
New York City: 0.1"
Newark: 0.6"
Philadelphia: 2.9"
Washington, DC: 3.3"

There were some 6.0" amounts. Areas receiving 6.0" of snow included Clayton, Dover, and Middletown in Delaware.

Following the storm, the temperature will fall into the teens in New York City tonight and again tomorrow night. Outlying areas could experience some single-digit cold. Tomorrow will be fair but very cold with the mercury struggling to reach the lower and middle 20s across the northern Mid-Atlantic region. Overall, this coming weekend will see this winter's coldest readings so far.

Beyond that, the development of an EPO+/AO+ pattern will lead to a noticeable warming trend that could send temperatures well into the 40s across the region and even into the 50s in parts of the region. This warm period will very likely assure that January will wind up as a warmer than normal month and Winter 2023-24 will become yet another warmer than normal winter in the New York City and Philadelphia areas. The generally mild conditions could continue into the first week of February with only brief interruptions.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.9°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +1.9°C for the week centered around January 10. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +1.18°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +1.95°C. A basinwide El Niño event is ongoing. The ongoing El Niño event has recently peaked.

The SOI was +20.45 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.535 today. Strong blocking in the final week of November, as occurred this year, has often been followed by frequent blocking in December and January.

On January 17 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 2.729 (RMM). The January 16-adjusted amplitude was 2.667 (RMM).

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 87% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal January (1991-2020 normal). January will likely finish with a mean temperature near 35.8° (2.1° above normal).

 

Don, do you still see evidence of a cold and snowy February for the Northeast? Models are suggesting this pacific jet extension could lead to hostile conditions for winter weather especially during first half of February.

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