dieselbug Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 9 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: New York City's Winter Futility Rankings (through January 25th): The 10 worst winters prior to 2023-2024 through January 25th saw the following seasonal outcomes: Mean seasonal snowfall: 11.0" Median seasonal snowfall: 12.1" 20" or more seasonal snowfall: 20% <10" seasonal snowfall: 40% Highest seasonal snowfall: 22.9", 1971-1972 Lowest seasonal snowfall: 2.3", 2022-2023 Don, Just curious where the winter of 1972-1973 is on the list, especially seeing 1971-72 make the top ten. I think I read that Newark had less than 2" snow for the winter and was the only winter that PHL had no measurable snow recorded at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 30 minutes ago, SACRUS said: Records: Highs: EWR: 74 (1950) Highest January recorded temperature NYC: 72 (1950) LGA: 72 (1950) Lows: EWR: 4 (1994) NYC: 2 (1871) LGA: 0 (1994) Historical: 1700 - A powerful earthquake struck the Pacific Northwest along the Cascadia Subduction zone. The estimated moment magnitude of 8.7-9.2 caused about a 1,000-kilometer rupture from mid-Vancouver Island to northern California. The ocean floor heaved upward approximately 20 feet, and with 10-20 minutes, a giant wave, 30-40 feet high, reached the shore. The earthquake caused a tsunami, which struck the coast of Japan. 1772 - Possibly the greatest snowfall ever recorded in the Washington DC area started on this day. When the storm began, Thomas Jefferson was returning home from his honeymoon with his new bride, Martha Wayles Skelton. The newlyweds made it to within eight miles of Monticello before having to abandon their carriage in the deep snow. Both finished the ride on horseback in the blinding snow. The newlyweds arrived home late on the night of January 26th. In Jefferson's "Garden Book," he wrote, "the deepest snow we have ever seen. In Albermarle, it was about 3. F. deep." https://www.masshist.org/thomasjeffersonpapers/doc?id=garden_8&mode=lgImg 1937: The wettest month ever in Cincinnati, Ohio, is January 1937, when 13.68 inches fell. Their average January amount is 3.00 inches of precipitation. The overabundance of precipitation over the Ohio River basin caused near-record to record flooding in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Kentucky. On this day, the river gauge reached 80 feet in Cincinnati, the highest level in the city's history. The Ohio River reached 57 feet in Louisville, Kentucky, on the 27th, setting a new record by ten feet. Seventy percent of the city was underwater at that time. 1978 - A paralyzing blizzard struck the Midwest. One to three feet of snow fell in Michigan, and 20 to 40 inches was reported across Indiana. Winds reached 70 mph in Michigan, and gusted above 100 mph in Ohio. The high winds produced snow drifts twenty feet high in Michigan and Indiana stranding thousands on the interstate highways. Temperatures in Ohio dropped from the 40s to near zero during the storm. (David Ludlum) 1983 - The California coast was battered by a storm which produced record high tides, thirty-two foot waves, and mudslides, causing millions of dollars damage. The storm then moved east and dumped four feet of snow on Lake Tahoe. (22nd-29th) (The Weather Channel) 1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - A snowstorm in the northeastern U.S. produced 19 inches at Austerlitz NY and Stillwater NY. A storm in the Great Lakes Region left 16.5 inches at Marquette MI, for a total of 43 inches in six days. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Snow and high winds created blizzard-like conditions in northwestern Vermont. Winds at Saint Albins gusted to 88 mph. In Alaska, the town of Cold Foot (located north of Fairbanks) reported a morning low of 75 degrees below zero. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - A winter storm spread high winds from the northwestern U.S. to Wyoming and Colorado, with heavy snow in some of the high elevations. Stevens Pass WA received 17 inches of snow, half of which fell in four hours. In extreme northwest Wyoming, Togwotee Mountain Lodge received 24 inches of snow. Winds in Colorado gusted to 90 mph at Rollinsville. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) wow LGA was colder than NYC in 1994? that has to be a first (and last) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 9 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: 1987 - A winter storm spread heavy snow across the Middle and Northern Atlantic Coast States, with 18 inches reported at Vineland NJ, and wind gusts to 65 mph at Chatham MA. Snow cover in Virginia ranged up to thirty inches following this second major storm in just one week. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) This is wild-- how much snow up here in this? A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows. The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass. One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related. Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html just a few days prior 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, SACRUS said: A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows. The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass. One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related. Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html Thanks Tony-- looks like it was too far south and east for us though I do see a narrow stripe of 10"+ on the south fork of Long Island... it reminds me of Feb 6, 2010 however that storm did not make it up to eastern LI or Cape Cod and the Islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, SACRUS said: A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows. The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass. One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related. Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html just a few days prior The forum would meltdown if that’s how we end February this season haha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, Allsnow said: The forum would meltdown if that’s how we end February this season haha I was just thinking that lmao...there was another storm like that (but even worse) in February 1989 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Would be higher like several regional surrounding sites if the tree growth since the mid 90s didn’t artificially suppress the high temperatures during the warm season. Artificially suppress? Isn’t tree growth the literal definition of natural growth and occurrences?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselbug Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 17 minutes ago, SACRUS said: A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows. The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass. One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related. Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html just a few days prior January 25, 1987 was when the Giants their first Super Bowl, and we went to a SB party in Brick. It started snowing during the game and continued all night. This was one of the only snowstorms that I can remember growing up in the 1980s. Great times! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 29 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: ugh, I think 2001-02 needs to be included in that second stretch. what's the running average if both 2000-01 and 2001-02 are included? 13.83 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 20 minutes ago, SACRUS said: A compact coastal snowstorm, briefly heralded as the Blizzard of '87, brushed by the New York City region yesterday, but buffeted much of southern New Jersey and parts of the New England coast with high winds and heavy snows. The storm, spawned by another snowstorm in the Great Lakes on Sunday in which two people died, started off Cape Hatteras, N.C., and raced along the coast, sparking a winter thunderstorm in Philadelphia and gale-force gusts from Cape May, N.J., to Cape Cod, Mass. One to three inches of snow fell in most of New York City, Long Island, Connecticut, northern New Jersey and Westchester County, where one motorist was killed and five others were injured in a four-car accident that the police said may have been weather-related. Eight to twelve inches of snow, however, fell in parts of southern New Jersey, which was buried under 12 to 18 inches on Jan. 26-28. ''It's a mess,'' said Claire Lindholm, a police dispatcher in Cape May, which received 10 inches of snow and opened its civic center as a winter shelter for the first time. ''But we are getting used to it.'' Storm Downgraded https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/10/nyregion/snowstorm-just-brushes-new-york.html just a few days prior The Jan 25/26 storm looks almost identical to the MA storm 2 years ago! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 25 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: The Jan 25/26 storm looks almost identical to the MA storm 2 years ago! Yeah but we got a foot of snow in the storm 2 years ago lol This reminds me more of February 6, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 33 minutes ago, North and West said: Artificially suppress? Isn’t tree growth the literal definition of natural growth and occurrences? . Pretty much lol But I think he means the sensors in Central Park don't follow the official rules and regulations for sensor placement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 40 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yeah but we got a foot of snow in the storm 2 years ago lol This reminds me more of February 6, 2010 Your thinking of the 2021 storm. The storm I am referring to missed us south. In fact it was south of DC. Hammered south and central Virginia through Norfolk and the Delmarva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Your thinking of the 2021 storm. The storm I am referring to missed us south. In fact it was south of DC. Hammered south and central Virginia through Norfolk and the Delmarva. That was the early Jan storm. The late Jan storm crushed LI which is what he's probably thinking of 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Don I take it that 1972-73 was too cold to make this list although it was the previous record holder for least snowfall in a season? 1972-73 finished 10th on the final season ranking. It had a winter mean temperature of 35.6°, which played a key role in where it stood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, EastonSN+ said: Hi Don, Looking at some of the worst 5 year runs in terms of snowfall to compare to the last 5 years INCLUDING THIS YEAR in an assumption that CPK is shut out, even if unlikely. I focused on 1928 through 1932 today. Interesting comparison: 1928 through 1932 avg - 11.76 2020 through 2024 avg - 13.18 1933 ended up with 27. Hopefully next year yields the same results. Good information. Like you, I hope next winter will wind up significantly more snowy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, North and West said: Artificially suppress? Isn’t tree growth the literal definition of natural growth and occurrences? . Not when the the trees block the thermometer and radiation shield from direct sunlight. More rural weather stations have the thermometers in clearings not under a dense canopy of trees. The Central Park great lawn is probably at least 2-3° warmer during the warm season at peak daily heating than under a tree canopy near the castle. Under some weather conditions the difference at peak heating could be even higher than 3°. So the great lawn isn’t that different in regard to highs than EWR and LGA. But the shaded areas are at least 2-3° cooler. That’s why the old site in the park used to average more 90° days than LGA but a few less than EWR. The taller trees are also reducing the winds at the park. This is why NYC hasn’t been able to beat its all-time highest wind gust from the early 70s. Notice how the sensors are located away from obstructions like trees. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, bluewave said: Not when the the trees block the thermometer and radiation shield from direct sunlight. More rural weather stations have the thermometers in clearings not under a dense canopy of trees. The Central Park great lawn is probably at least 2-3° warmer during the warm season at peak daily heating than under a tree canopy near the castle. Under some weather conditions the difference at peak heating could be even higher than 3°. So the great lawn isn’t that different in regard to highs than EWR and LGA. But the shaded areas are at least 2-3° cooler. That’s why the old site in the park used to average more 90° days than LGA but a few less than EWR. Notice how the sensors are located away from obstructions like trees. But why were the sensors moved and not kept in that area where they were in the 90s? And is this also why NYC doesn't see long sustained heatwaves anymore? Heatwaves of 7 days and longer have become very rare, compared to the 90s when we had our most 90 degree summers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Don’t let @MJO812 look at the 12z gfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, Allsnow said: Don’t let @MJO812 look at the 12z gfs He already did and doesn't believe it WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, LibertyBell said: But why were the sensors moved and not kept in that area where they were in the 90s? And is this also why NYC doesn't see long sustained heatwaves anymore? Heatwaves of 7 days and longer have become very rare, compared to the 90s when we had our most 90 degree summers. It’s tough to get extended heatwaves anymore since the shade is at least 2-3° cooler at peak heating then then the sensors were out in the open before the 90s. Plus when the foliage is wet there could be even increased cooling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, psv88 said: No sun tomorrow now. So no sun until Tuesday now. this has to be one of the cloudiest winters ever? @donsutherland1 Through 11 am, NYC has had 203 hours of overcast conditions this month. Last year, January had 277 such hours through the end of the month. The most I could find was 293 hours in 2017. Data only goes back to 1996. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, dieselbug said: Don, Just curious where the winter of 1972-1973 is on the list, especially seeing 1971-72 make the top ten. I think I read that Newark had less than 2" snow for the winter and was the only winter that PHL had no measurable snow recorded at all! The above data is only through January 25th. The final end-of-season ranking had 1972-73 10th (mainly because it was much colder than a number of other low snowfall winters with a DJF mean temperature of 35.6°). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 74 at DCA currently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCO_PA Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: 74 at DCA currently & that's still 5 degrees off the daily record, the second warmest JAN high temp is 75 degrees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCO_PA Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Dover, DE dropped 10 degrees (69-59) between 11:00-12:00, wind turned around from the north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 12 minutes ago, BucksCO_PA said: & that's still 5 degrees off the daily record, the second warmest JAN high temp is 75 degrees because they have a sea breeze right now lol. iad set a monthly record of 76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, forkyfork said: because they have a sea breeze right now lol. iad set a monthly record of 76 That could have been us… ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: That could have been us… ugh can someone hit 80? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, forkyfork said: can someone hit 80? Wow. Just your typical late January 80 degree day @ DCA. Like winters of old 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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