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2 hours ago, Allsnow said:

I like the potential after the 15th with the block moving west as it decays and the ridge out west improves. Definitely some potential 

exactly. the close the shades stuff is ridiculous with ensembles agreeing on a 2-3 sigma -NAO combined with an Alaskan ridge

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14 minutes ago, brooklynwx99 said:

exactly. the close the shades stuff is ridiculous with ensembles agreeing on a 2-3 sigma -NAO combined with an Alaskan ridge

Yeah, waiting for mjo 8 in late February is hopeful but there is potential mid month 

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1 hour ago, EastonSN+ said:

Could work out a well, all those suppressed snowstorms of the past may be monster hits now. Also the records we have now are likely a combination of a normal warm pattern (decadal RNA now) and GW. If we get back into a general cooler pattern we can be in decent shape.

For me as long as we keep seeing NC, Virginia and the Delmarva get snowstorms like they have been over the past few years we have tread on the tires.

 

But surpressed why?  Because of a cold high?  That is normally one of the features you need, well placed.  Marginal "seasonable" air is not going to cut it, not around here...

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45 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

But surpressed why?  Because of a cold high?  That is normally one of the features you need, well placed.  Marginal "seasonable" air is not going to cut it, not around here...

Right if it was frigid and 20 degrees with suppression, we may be 22 now cause of GW and on the northern edge of the snowfall (think SE ridge help).

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1 hour ago, brooklynwx99 said:

exactly. the close the shades stuff is ridiculous with ensembles agreeing on a 2-3 sigma -NAO combined with an Alaskan ridge

Also massive west coast trough and signs SE ridge links to NAO domain but I guess we ignore the negatives

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5 minutes ago, qg_omega said:

Also massive west coast trough and signs SE ridge links to NAO domain but I guess we ignore the negatives

I see that next week but nothing imo has that look after the 15th. Second week of January was always supposed to be a risk for cutters 

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1 hour ago, EastonSN+ said:

Right if it was frigid and 20 degrees with suppression, we may be 22 now cause of GW and on the northern edge of the snowfall (think SE ridge help).

You need cold air.  For NYC you need moisture, cold air and luck for snow.  We can't have it both ways.image.thumb.jpeg.86f153fc382cd189ccf4e992869a45f5.jpeg

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1 hour ago, Allsnow said:

 


How so, with no true arctic air in Canada, except for maybe a small wedge of seasonable air along a narrow stretch just west of Hudson Bay?  I think if we start looking at the present physical data instead of the models, we might actually see what is happening?

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3 hours ago, EastonSN+ said:

Could work out a well, all those suppressed snowstorms of the past may be monster hits now. Also the records we have now are likely a combination of a normal warm pattern (decadal RNA now) and GW. If we get back into a general cooler pattern we can be in decent shape.

For me as long as we keep seeing NC, Virginia and the Delmarva get snowstorms like they have been over the past few years we have tread on the tires.

 

You are looking at interior south vs UHI Coastal NYC.

Not linear. Do not fool yourself with a flawed equation to get an illogical hypothesis. 

I have seen that brown line run down the backbone of the Delmarva many times from 37000 feet.

Look at Norfolk. That is your future. Heck, it may be your present.

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26 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

You need cold air.  For NYC you need moisture, cold air and luck for snow.  We can't have it both ways.image.thumb.jpeg.86f153fc382cd189ccf4e992869a45f5.jpeg

I think we are generally on the same page, difference is I see this current 5 year stretch as we are in a decadal RNA regime with a global warming background raising our temps by say whatever the current global departure is. 2000 through 2018 with a decadal PNA would still work. Also, 1996 where we were snowing at 18 degrees may be 21 degrees and snowing.

Yes, we will lose our 33 and snow from 1972, but the blizzard of 1978 would still be snow IMO and maybe more given the added moisture.

Where my view differs than some is I do not think our overall weather structure changed i.e. I do not think we are going to be in a mostly static RNA from here on our. I believe the same patterns persist just increasingly warmer.

 

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Generally dry weather will continue through tomorrow. Afterward, a series of storms will impact the region.

A storm will bring measurable snowfall to parts of the region Saturday afternoon into Sunday. This appears to be the kind of storm that could bring a general 1" to perhaps 3" of slushy snow to New York City (lowest amounts in Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island and highest amounts in the Bronx) with 3"-6" of snow well north and west of New York City. The probability of a significant (6" or greater) snowfall in Boston has increased. There remains a degree of uncertainty in coastal regions, including the New York City area.

Following the region's first winter storm, a major storm could bring a heavy windswept rain to much of the region during the middle of next week. The potential exists for a 1"-3" rainfall with locally higher amounts. Temperatures could surge toward or into the 50s.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.8°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +2.0°C for the week centered around December 27. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +1.55°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +2.00°C. A basinwide El Niño event is ongoing.

The SOI was -5.74 today.

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was -0.696 today. Strong blocking in the final week of November, as occurred this year, has often been followed by frequent blocking in December and January.

On January 2 the MJO was in Phase 2 at an amplitude of 2.276 (RMM). The January 1-adjusted amplitude was 1.959 (RMM).

 

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1 hour ago, EastonSN+ said:

Decadal RNA pattern we are currently in.

No real arctic air out west.  Coldest air is in a wedge north of Michigan, just West of Hudson Bay.  There is no continuous feed of arctic air this side of the north pole.  You don't need any models to see that.  just look at the real time physical data...

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8 hours ago, brooklynwx99 said:

exactly. the close the shades stuff is ridiculous with ensembles agreeing on a 2-3 sigma -NAO combined with an Alaskan ridge

Where is the arctic air?  So far, there is none this side of the north pole.

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7 hours ago, winterwx21 said:

It'll be good to get some significant cold air in here for an extended period of time in mid January. Hopefully that will give the coast a better shot at a snowstorm. Looks encouraging. 

and where is the cold air coming from?  

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