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Winter '23-'24 Piss and Moan/Banter Thread


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6 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Any posters from southern Wisconsin, I'm curious. Does the MKE temperature sensor seem to be running warm? I notice that MKE is always warmer than everywhere to the north or south, often even warmer than chicago. 

 

There is at least one for sure, but I'm willing to bet you're not too eager to hear from them...:lol:

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29 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Any posters from southern Wisconsin, I'm curious. Does the MKE temperature sensor seem to be running warm? I notice that MKE is always warmer than everywhere to the north or south, often even warmer than chicago. 

MKE always runs warm relative to the surrounding area during winter because of the proximity to the lake. General Mitchell is within a couple miles of the lakeshore. Compare that to Midway or ORD where they are like 10 miles away from the lake. As we all know, that makes a big difference. See the 1/12 snowstorm where MKE only recorded 8 inches of snow while areas just to the west, at about the same range as ORD and MDW, measured over a foot. This is why MKE isn't really the best measurement site to use as a proxy for the entirety of the Milwaukee metro IMO. However, there really isn't another good one unfortunately.

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47 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Any posters from southern Wisconsin, I'm curious. Does the MKE temperature sensor seem to be running warm? I notice that MKE is always warmer than everywhere to the north or south, often even warmer than chicago. 

Proximity to the lake is very important here. It isn't faulty from what I am seeing.

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13 minutes ago, DaveNay said:

Can anyone spot where the crude oil pipeline is? (sorry, phone had a hard time focusing due to a slight lack of contrast in the atmosphere today)

 

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Somewhere in that easement is my answer lol. Wicked fog day today. Not very often we get to experience this level of fog in the middle of the day.

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On 1/24/2024 at 12:11 PM, michsnowfreak said:

Here's the top 20

01) 12.9" - 1936-37

02) 13.2" - 1881-82

03) 13.7" - 1948-49

04) 15.2" - 1918-19

05) 15.4" - 1965-66

06) 15.8" - 1889-90

07) 16.6" - 1952-53

08) 17.1" - 1968-69

09) 18.0" - 1957-58

09) 18.0" - 1960-61

11) 20.0" - 1982-83

12) 22.0" - 1945-46

13) 22.6" - 1937-38

14) 22.8" - 1943-44

15) 23.2" - 1888-89

16) 23.4" - 1941-42

16) 23.4" - 1997-98

18) 23.7" - 1999-00

19) 24.1" - 2003-04

20) 25.1" - 1988-89

Thank you for sharing. I compared your top 20 to Toronto to see how/where we differ and I must say I'm shocked lol. Our average is around 45-50". 

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All your top 5 winters were incredibly warm in Toronto too, with the only exception being January 1966. We had a big storm in Jan 1966 that dropped 16-20", more than your entire season, wow! Seems like we got really lucky in those winters due to marginal snow events, sort of like last winter. 

Another thing that stands out is; Detroit doesn't do well in El Nino's or neutral ENSO winters. Of your top 10; 5 were El Nino, 1 La Nina, and 4 Neutral. And that rule is more or less applicable for us in Toronto too. Though some El Nino's can be quite good (2002-03, 2004-05, or 2018-19 to name a few). I would think the inverse is true for your top 20. 

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On 1/23/2024 at 11:00 PM, weatherbo said:

You guys remember Will (pardon me, Alyssa) from Calumet?

Laurium couple arrested for child sexually abusive material (uppermichiganssource.com)


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I think we can now safely assume that any reported snow measurements are slant sticked. Very hard to get a good measurement through the jail cell door. 

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16 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

Thank you for sharing. I compared your top 20 to Toronto to see how/where we differ and I must say I'm shocked lol. Our average is around 45-50". 

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All your top 5 winters were incredibly warm in Toronto too, with the only exception being January 1966. We had a big storm in Jan 1966 that dropped 16-20", more than your entire season, wow! Seems like we got really lucky in those winters due to marginal snow events, sort of like last winter. 

Another thing that stands out is; Detroit doesn't do well in El Nino's or neutral ENSO winters. Of your top 10; 5 were El Nino, 1 La Nina, and 4 Neutral. And that rule is more or less applicable for us in Toronto too. Though some El Nino's can be quite good (2002-03, 2004-05, or 2018-19 to name a few). I would think the inverse is true for your top 20. 

Good stuff. Here's the same comparison, except with the city that fans of old school TWC might recall as "the best location in nation - Cleveland, Ohio." @michsnowfreak put the 2003-04 snow hole out of his memory. Don't know what was going on in 1918-19, it's more than a foot below any other year.

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17 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

Thank you for sharing. I compared your top 20 to Toronto to see how/where we differ and I must say I'm shocked lol. Our average is around 45-50". 

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All your top 5 winters were incredibly warm in Toronto too, with the only exception being January 1966. We had a big storm in Jan 1966 that dropped 16-20", more than your entire season, wow! Seems like we got really lucky in those winters due to marginal snow events, sort of like last winter. 

Another thing that stands out is; Detroit doesn't do well in El Nino's or neutral ENSO winters. Of your top 10; 5 were El Nino, 1 La Nina, and 4 Neutral. And that rule is more or less applicable for us in Toronto too. Though some El Nino's can be quite good (2002-03, 2004-05, or 2018-19 to name a few). I would think the inverse is true for your top 20. 

Detroit can do good in weak el ninos. Strong are the worst. Do you have Torontos top 20 least snowy?

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1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Good stuff. Here's the same comparison, except with the city that fans of old school TWC might recall as "the best location in nation - Cleveland, Ohio." @michsnowfreak put the 2003-04 snow hole out of his memory. Don't know what was going on in 1918-19, it's more than a foot below any other year.

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Cleveland is part of the Lake Erie snowbelt & average 18.8" more than Detroit, so really not a good comparison. Although the last several years I don't know what's going on in Cleveland, they've been in the snow hole it seems. 

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4 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

The great upper midwest snow hole of winter 23/24 is very evident on the total seasonal snowfall map. Most of northern Minnesota is around the 5th to 10th percentile for current average snow depth.

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MSP making up for last year

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13 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

Worst stretch of weather I’ve ever seen. 5 straight days of fog

That's pretty much going to add up through the end of this month. With an Omega Block establishing sometime next week, might as well continue into the first few days of February.

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14 hours ago, Cary67 said:

Yeah this fog is relentless. Snow melt is progressing but slowly.

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Seems like cloudier-than-normal Januaries are a kiss of death for the remainder of Winter. Last January, for example, was cloudier-than-normal and was followed by one of the warmest and least snowiest Februaries on record. January 2017 was one of the cloudiest in many areas and was followed by one of the warmest Februaries ever. Same thing for January 1998.

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