Ralph Wiggum Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 hour ago, ChescoWx said: Steve I think that was me pointing out there were no 6" or greater snowstorms in Philly from February 7, 1967 until January 20, 1978. Those were the day's we never got snow and that period was one of the least snowy decades in our history. It was a little better in the Philly burbs of Chesco....where we had 7 storms during those 12 years that exceeded 6". The biggest near miss was February 19, 1972 when Philly changed to rain after only 3.7" while Coatesville stayed snow and accumulated 13.8" of snow Thank you Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Some snow drought factoids that you might find of interest. We have talked about this before but here in Chester County PA if we can just get through January 3rd without recording a full one inch daily snowfall we will set a new record for longest period between such events - our last greater than 1" snow event was on March 12, 2022 when we recorded 4.3" of snow. The current non 1" record is the only winter in Chester County since 1888 that recorded absolutely no snow at all. So nothing measurable (more than a trace) - this was during the non-winter of 1972-73. During that stretch we went from February 24, 1972 until December 16, 1973 or 661 days without a daily observed snowfall of at least 1 inch. To help hopefully put some of this in context for all of you snow lovers out there....be very thankful you were not around to remember back when we really had true snow droughts. Are you surprised to find out that from the mid-1930's through the late 1950's. Here in Chester County we had not even one above average snow season?? (Current 30 year average 35.9") So for 23 straight winter seasons from the winter of 1934-35 season through the 1956-57 season not one winter season featured above normal snowfall - snow enthusiasts must have been miserable!! By contrast folks today with more recent memories of here in Chester County PA may potentially be surprised to hear that the last 2 complete decades (2000's/2010's) featured two of the top four snowiest decades in our history going back through the 1890's. With my view of typical cyclical weather patterns....it would make one think we are way overdue for some non-snowy winters before the next snowy period sets in. Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 hours ago, ChescoWx said: Some snow drought factoids that you might find of interest. We have talked about this before but here in Chester County PA if we can just get through January 3rd without recording a full one inch daily snowfall we will set a new record for longest period between such events - our last greater than 1" snow event was on March 12, 2022 when we recorded 4.3" of snow. The current non 1" record is the only winter in Chester County since 1888 that recorded absolutely no snow at all. So nothing measurable (more than a trace) - this was during the non-winter of 1972-73. During that stretch we went from February 24, 1972 until December 16, 1973 or 661 days without a daily observed snowfall of at least 1 inch. To help hopefully put some of this in context for all of you snow lovers out there....be very thankful you were not around to remember back when we really had true snow droughts. Are you surprised to find out that from the mid-1930's through the late 1950's. Here in Chester County we had not even one above average snow season?? (Current 30 year average 35.9") So for 23 straight winter seasons from the winter of 1934-35 season through the 1956-57 season not one winter season featured above normal snowfall - snow enthusiasts must have been miserable!! By contrast folks today with more recent memories of here in Chester County PA may potentially be surprised to hear that the last 2 complete decades (2000's/2010's) featured two of the top four snowiest decades in our history going back through the 1890's. With my view of typical cyclical weather patterns....it would make one think we are way overdue for some non-snowy winters before the next snowy period sets in. Thoughts?? Someone needs to remind folks in other subs that these phases are cyclical and not the end times for snowfall. While I believe in that elephant in the room that shall not be mentioned, I dont believe that is the lone cause of tough luck we have had since we 2016 (2014 tbh). There will eventually be a run of snowy years like we have seen in our lifetimes already. You know what I say....buckle up and have patience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Welp, the best thing about these low clouds, foggy, misty and soon to be rainy days/nights you can leave the Christmas lights on 24/7 and appreciate... 44F/Rain moving in... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenmsav6810 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 8 hours ago, RedSky said: Low stream levels to sinkholes aye caramba! Maybe the sink holes are causing the sinkholes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenmsav6810 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 23 hours ago, RedSky said: Pea soup fog I was in Reading tonight-- could barely see the Pagoda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 That Weather World dry 35 day outlook...too funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamuSnow Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Birds~69 said: Welp, the best thing about these low clouds, foggy, misty and soon to be rainy days/nights you can leave the Christmas lights on 24/7 and appreciate... 44F/Rain moving in... ...especially when it finally snows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeymac5306 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 14 hours ago, ChescoWx said: Some snow drought factoids that you might find of interest. We have talked about this before but here in Chester County PA if we can just get through January 3rd without recording a full one inch daily snowfall we will set a new record for longest period between such events - our last greater than 1" snow event was on March 12, 2022 when we recorded 4.3" of snow. The current non 1" record is the only winter in Chester County since 1888 that recorded absolutely no snow at all. So nothing measurable (more than a trace) - this was during the non-winter of 1972-73. During that stretch we went from February 24, 1972 until December 16, 1973 or 661 days without a daily observed snowfall of at least 1 inch. To help hopefully put some of this in context for all of you snow lovers out there....be very thankful you were not around to remember back when we really had true snow droughts. Are you surprised to find out that from the mid-1930's through the late 1950's. Here in Chester County we had not even one above average snow season?? (Current 30 year average 35.9") So for 23 straight winter seasons from the winter of 1934-35 season through the 1956-57 season not one winter season featured above normal snowfall - snow enthusiasts must have been miserable!! By contrast folks today with more recent memories of here in Chester County PA may potentially be surprised to hear that the last 2 complete decades (2000's/2010's) featured two of the top four snowiest decades in our history going back through the 1890's. With my view of typical cyclical weather patterns....it would make one think we are way overdue for some non-snowy winters before the next snowy period sets in. Thoughts?? What I find interesting is that wile the monster snow storms are fun to track and be a part of, (and I think someone already mentioned this) is that we don't have a legit winter of just clippers bringing the 2 inches of snow and cold hanging around. We get the cold and snow shot but then its all gone within 5-7 days and we're back in the 40's. At this point weenies (like me) would rather have this than stare at 300+hr monster model runs. I am happy there is something to track next week next week, but if it dosen't verify, no biggie. I'm certainly not cancelling winter by any means yet though. Long way to go here. Again the key is patience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Had a FB poster tell me they feel snow cover lasted longer "back in the day" So what are the top 20 seasons and days with consecutive snow cover? Of note but not surprisingly during our current snowier cycle - 7 of the top 20 snow cover stretches have happened since 2000. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 We have almost doubled our average December rainfall so far this month and we look to further add to that figure over the next couple of days. So far today we have picked up 0.23" of rain here in East Nantmeal. Our monthly total is now 6.44" Some other Chester County PA area amounts so far this month: Atglen 7.21" / Chester Springs 6.17" / Warwick Twp. 7.09" / West Bradford Twp. 7.70" / West Chester 9.04" /Nottingham 6.73". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 14 hours ago, KamuSnow said: ...especially when it finally snows! My indoor/outdoor stuff have been on 24/7 because it's so cloudy/dark. Blew a couple window candle bulbs but surprisingly the 1.21 Gigawatts red porch light is still going strong. But damn, all we need is a clipper, snow squall, snow shower or heavy duty flurries activity to make things right. Birds won, Dal and SF lost which helped though... 47F/Cloudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Rain deathband over the region Omg another drought can't come soon enough 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, RedSky said: Rain deathband over the region Omg another drought can't come soon enough I can arrange that LMAO. Mt Holly decided this afternoon to leave out the LV in a flood watch. Just changed their tune real quick and has just issued one. I expect flood advisories to be issued for my neck of the woods by midnight. This is the most rain I have seen in 30+ years here in the LV in December. We will break the record. ABE rain gauge must have a hole in it if we do not break the record. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Reilly Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 37 minutes ago, RedSky said: Rain deathband over the region Omg another drought can't come soon enough I can't wait for later January and February when these storms are all snow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Kevin Reilly said: I can't wait for later January and February when these storms are all snow! Murphys Law says we waste the stj now and turn cold/dry during prime climo. I'm hopefully optimistic for a 2nd half of winter type salvage, but damn it sucks wasting all this precip right now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 spoke too soon-- they did not wait until midnight Flood Warning National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ 912 PM EST Wed Dec 27 2023 DEC003-PAC011-017-029-045-077-091-095-280815- /O.NEW.KPHI.FA.W.0083.231228T0212Z-231228T0815Z/ /00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/ New Castle DE-Berks PA-Bucks PA-Chester PA-Delaware PA-Lehigh PA- Montgomery PA-Northampton PA- 912 PM EST Wed Dec 27 2023 ...FLOOD WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 315 AM EST THURSDAY... * WHAT...Flooding caused by excessive rainfall is expected. * WHERE...Portions of northern Delaware, including the following county, New Castle and Pennsylvania, including the following counties, Berks, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Lehigh, Montgomery and Northampton. * WHEN...Until 315 AM EST Thursday. * IMPACTS...Flooding of rivers, creeks, streams, and other low-lying and flood-prone locations is imminent or occurring. * ADDITIONAL DETAILS... - At 910 PM EST, Doppler radar and automated rain gauges indicated heavy rain. Flooding is ongoing or expected to begin shortly in the warned area. Between 0.5 and 1.5 inches of rain have fallen. - Additional rainfall amounts of 0.5 to 1.5 inches are possible in the warned area. - Some locations that may experience flooding include... Allentown, Reading, Wilmington, Newark, Easton, Middletown, West Chester, Bethlehem, Norristown, Chester, Pottstown and Phoenixville. - http://www.weather.gov/safety/flood PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Turn around...don`t drown when encountering flooded roads. Most flood deaths occur in vehicles. Be especially cautious at night when it is harder to recognize the dangers of flooding. && LAT...LON 4027 7607 4065 7597 4077 7569 4086 7529 4097 7512 4086 7505 4075 7520 4057 7519 3986 7534 3962 7559 3957 7554 3947 7557 3942 7553 3933 7576 3972 7579 3972 7614 3973 7609 3987 7599 4011 7594 4014 7587 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxwell03 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 50F, rain picking up. Always the piedmont regions in PA and northern NJ that take the firehose head on, while us coastal plain folks get the scraps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 The roads are absolutely horrible around Reading and Allentown, lots of ponding and flooding going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said: Murphys Law says we waste the stj now and turn cold/dry during prime climo. I'm hopefully optimistic for a 2nd half of winter type salvage, but damn it sucks wasting all this precip right now. Bitter cold&dry with frozen sink holes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamuSnow Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Newman said: The roads are absolutely horrible around Reading and Allentown, lots of ponding and flooding going on Home for the holidays? Hope you're enjoying it! (Other than the driving). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamuSnow Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1.65" here so far, most of it this evening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Reilly Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, KamuSnow said: 1.65" here so far, most of it this evening. 1.54" here in Media was out and about down route 1 into Springfield awful drive roads have a lot of run off Darby Creek rising fast! On the way home blinding rains approaching the Blue Route at Route 1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 the drought guy still here trying to stay dry. LOL So far 2.20 in of rain here in Ancient Oaks Macungie since 6pm. The row boats coming out again for the Little lehigh behind my house. Spring creek rd will be under water tomorrow morning. I expect Allentown LV will be in the news Heavy rain - the fire hose has been opened up for hours and it is still coming down hard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Rain is tapering off up to 3.50" lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Winds are ripping a couple power flickers surprised the juice is on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 10" of rain can't happen in December in the world I once knew. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albedoman Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, RedSky said: 10" of rain can't happen in December in the world I once knew. I hear you. I am over 11 in for the month now with just rain with 3+ more inches in the gauge now. This is utterly ridiculous. The sinkholes will really open by Feb when the water tables to fall again from frozen grounds. A bunch of dead ash trees fell in this storm from the ash borer too in the woods behind my house as the winds were really gusty because of the water logged soils. That was unexpected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBasile Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Finished with 1.06". Puts December at 7.11". Just need .05" more to make December the wettest month this year. I don't think it's supposed to work this way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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