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18z 3km NAM and 18z long range HRRR are VERY similar in all aspects.  Id take my 5” snowfall as both show for Lebanon.  Technically, would be the biggest single snowfall of the year for here as I believe the biggest so far was 4” and I am sitting at 11.5” on the season so far

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Just now, AccuChris said:

18z 3km NAM and 18z long range HRRR are VERY similar in all aspects.  Id take my 5” snowfall as both show for Lebanon.  Technically, would be the biggest single snowfall of the year for here as I believe the biggest so far was 4” and I am sitting at 11.5” on the season so far

I would be happy with anything that gets MDT into double digits as to record keeping.  Being at 9" with less than 3 weeks left in Met winter is potentially historically bad (not the worst of course). 

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Winter Storm Watch

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service State College PA
249 PM EST Sun Feb 11 2024

PAZ025>028-034-056-057-059-121000-
/O.CON.KCTP.WS.A.0003.240213T0400Z-240213T1800Z/
Blair-Huntingdon-Mifflin-Juniata-Bedford-Perry-Dauphin-Lebanon-
Including the cities of Altoona, Huntingdon, Mount Union,
Lewistown, Mifflintown, Bedford, Newport, Harrisburg, Hershey,
and Lebanon
249 PM EST Sun Feb 11 2024

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY EVENING
THROUGH TUESDAY AFTERNOON...

* WHAT...Heavy snow possible. Total snow accumulations of 3 to 6
  inches possible.

* WHERE...Portions of south-central Pennsylvania.

* WHEN...From Monday evening through Tuesday afternoon.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
  conditions could impact the morning commute.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Rain will develop Monday evening and turn
  to snow overnight into early Tuesday morning. Snow will continue
  through the early afternoon hours. A two-to-four hour period of
  heavy snow is possible around daybreak Tuesday when snowfall
  rates of one to two inches per hour could occur.

 

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Just now, Blizzard of 93 said:

Winter Storm Watch

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service State College PA
249 PM EST Sun Feb 11 2024

PAZ025>028-034-056-057-059-121000-
/O.CON.KCTP.WS.A.0003.240213T0400Z-240213T1800Z/
Blair-Huntingdon-Mifflin-Juniata-Bedford-Perry-Dauphin-Lebanon-
Including the cities of Altoona, Huntingdon, Mount Union,
Lewistown, Mifflintown, Bedford, Newport, Harrisburg, Hershey,
and Lebanon
249 PM EST Sun Feb 11 2024

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY EVENING
THROUGH TUESDAY AFTERNOON...

* WHAT...Heavy snow possible. Total snow accumulations of 3 to 6
  inches possible.

* WHERE...Portions of south-central Pennsylvania.

* WHEN...From Monday evening through Tuesday afternoon.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
  conditions could impact the morning commute.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Rain will develop Monday evening and turn
  to snow overnight into early Tuesday morning. Snow will continue
  through the early afternoon hours. A two-to-four hour period of
  heavy snow is possible around daybreak Tuesday when snowfall
  rates of one to two inches per hour could occur.

 

CTP freshened up the Watch & bumped amounts up again.

I liked that they mentioned the 2 to 4 hour heavy snow potential Tuesday am.

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5 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Icon shifted south this run but not enough for those of us MDT south.

Icon and Canadian suites were non-events for our area 24 hours ago and now the RGEM is printing out higher totals not far to our NE and coming more in line with the other guidance.  I will be looking at the 0z HRRR long run again to see how consistent it is with itself from 18z

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Concerning the Nam 12, I think it has to be discounted right now after seeing several other suites 18Z runs....with the caveat that it has done this sometimes in the past where it led the way early.  If it had been pursuing this line of reasoning the entire time, I would feel better defending it but for now if I were forecasting for the LSV I would be Max 2-4 except fairly far north of Harrisburg.  Almost nothing down my way being too far south and west for much coastal help. 

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19 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

Concerning the Nam 12, I think it has to be discounted right now after seeing several other suites 18Z runs....with the caveat that it has done this sometimes in the past where it led the way early.  If it had been pursuing this line of reasoning the entire time, I would feel better defending it but for now if I were forecasting for the LSV I would be Max 2-4 except fairly far north of Harrisburg.  Almost nothing down my way being too far south and west for much coastal help. 

Even if it overcorrected, moving back north 40 miles is fine with me considering where it had me before. I think most in this forum would agree.

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4 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Even if it overcorrected, moving back north 40 miles is fine with me considering where it had me before. I think most in this forum would agree.

I think it is more than 40 miles in compare to other models.  I think the solution (as Caveman alluded to) is different as well.   The life seems greater, and a much larger area turns to snow due to the rate of the precip.  At hour 39 the Nam is is only that 20-40 miles south of the GFS but the snow line is a good 100 miles south. 

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