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a -NAO is absolutely not useless... that is silly. NYC pretty much needs a strong -NAO to get a 12"+ event or greater

a really crappy Pacific can negate a -NAO, but we have had some pretty bad Pacifics over the last couple of years. that should change with the Nino in place, especially in the second half

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1 minute ago, brooklynwx99 said:

a -NAO is absolutely not useless... that is silly. NYC pretty much needs a strong -NAO to get a 12"+ event or greater

a really crappy Pacific can negate a -NAO, but we have had some pretty bad Pacifics over the last couple of years. that should change with the Nino in place, especially in the second half

Second half of winter or December? 

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16 minutes ago, bluewave said:

So the fist 4 days of December are averaging +5 to +10. The next 4 will average closer to normal. Then we are right back to the 50s by later next week and more days in the +5 to +10 range. So it looks like NYC is on track for another December over 40°. The new 91-20 warmer December average for NYC is 39.1°.
 

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The sky is falling x 1000. Yawn. 45F and rain 

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1 hour ago, Allsnow said:

They’re starting to meltdown…just wait until Christmas when most don’t have a flake in that area 

I don't see any relevant melts in that sub forum from the knowledgeable posters. Just the usual suspects like this forum and the MA forum who always melt every year that is not an all out snow blitz.

Just pay attention to Ray, ORH WXman etc and you will be good. 

Why would anyone with knowledge melt now lol. It's 12/3 in an El nino year. We waited till mid Jan in 14/15 and had an all time year. 

If the METS start melting different story.

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8 minutes ago, brooklynwx99 said:

a -NAO is absolutely not useless... that is silly. NYC pretty much needs a strong -NAO to get a 12"+ event or greater

a really crappy Pacific can negate a -NAO, but we have had some pretty bad Pacifics over the last couple of years. that should change with the Nino in place, especially in the second half

I just do not get how some feel that this somehow proves NAOs are now useless/no longer help us. An NAO itself is not enough like 97/98. I feel as though some posters are just looking at 2000 onwards and thinking something has drastically changed, when all one has to do is look at the 90s to see what is happening now is not unexpected. 

2000 through 2018 was similar to 55 through 69. These periods are relatively rare and not the norm. What has happened 2019 onwards just reminds me of my childhood winters lol.

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18 minutes ago, the_other_guy said:

The sky is falling x 1000. Yawn. 45F and rain 

40°+ Decembers are the opposite the sky is falling for most people off this forum since they can save on heating bills and spend more on the holidays. 

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For more insight into the role of the Arctic Oscillation (AO) in December, New York City has seen a steady increase in temperature during cases where the AO was -1.000 or below. However, there is no clear trend, yet, when it comes to snowfall. The AO remains an important, but not exclusively important variable, when it comes to snowfall.

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Would like to point out that a number of winters which featured some great snowstorms started out with some mild to warm weather in early December. 1960 even had several days with temperatures mid-upper 50s prior to the cold and snow which arrived on December 12th. 1982 had a day or two in the lower 70s in early Dec prior to the incredible snowstorm Feb 11, 1983. It is not uncommon to see some mild weather early in Dec prior to a more active and colder winter.

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1 hour ago, brooklynwx99 said:

a -NAO is absolutely not useless... that is silly. NYC pretty much needs a strong -NAO to get a 12"+ event or greater

a really crappy Pacific can negate a -NAO, but we have had some pretty bad Pacifics over the last couple of years. that should change with the Nino in place, especially in the second half

Agreed.   15-16 took til mid january

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