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MO/KS/AR/OK 2023-2024 Winter Discussion


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Here, have some members.

My breakdown..

Roughly 14 of these models drop 6+ inches of snow here in Tulsa, double that due to ratios.

If one of these solutions pan out, we are looking at some major snowfall, and 28% of the members showing that is nothing to sneeze at.

Am I being a weenie?:weenie: Yes, but it's backed up by data :mapsnow:haha.

 

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On 1/6/2024 at 4:22 PM, JoMo said:

Tuesday system going farther north on the 18z GFS. Friday system still looks good, but we aren't 24 hours away from it yet, so it'll probably end up in Iowa or something by the time we get to Fri.

This looks like it's actually going to come true. Winter Storm Watch for pretty much all of Iowa for this storm that was looking good for us 4 days ago, lol

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9 minutes ago, MUWX said:

SGF zone forecast for Greene county calls for “heavy snow accumulation” Sunday. Don’t recall seeing that before. 

NWS in Tulsa said this.

Snow chances will begin to increase
again during the daytime Sunday as both ensembles and
deterministic models have been fairly persistent showing a couple
of shortwave troughs moving across the Southern/Central Plains
late this weekend and early next week. The first round of snow
arrives late morning/early afternoon on Sunday and lasts through
Sunday night or early Monday morning. Models show another round of
light-moderate snow, associated with a second shortwave trough,
late Monday morning. There is still lots of uncertainty with how
these scenarios will evolve, but confidence has increased some
for a more impactful snow event for Sunday and Monday, especially
for northeast OK and far northwest AR/Ozarks area. Will continue
to closely monitor and update the forecast
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Springfield AFD on Sun-Mon

 

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While these liquid equivalent amounts do not seem like much,
snow- to-liquid ratios will likely be pushing 20:1. Thus, a
light and fluffy snow will be favored with much more efficient
accumulations. P-WSSI output is showing 40-60% probabilities for
at least minor travel impacts.

One final note regarding the potential system for Sunday/Monday.
Given that one of the main drivers for potential snow would be
that short wave trough, it is highly likely that the track will
shift given its low amplitude. Keep up with the forecast as we
start to get a better feel for this system later in the week.

 

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Morning Tulsa AFD for brief thundersnow chances with Friday system:

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However, recent CAMs have been more
aggressive with frontogenetic snow banding and suggest periods of
heavier snow are possible. In fact, there have been hints of some
weak instability co-located with this feature, and a stray
lightning strike or two cannot be ruled out if this does end up
being more convective in nature. This in turn may lead to a period
of more prolonged snowfall and locally higher amounts generally
up to 2 inches or so. Held off on issuing any winter headlines at
this time, but especially considering the timing of this system
will overlap with the morning commute for many... and the recent
upward trend in snowfall... Winter Weather Advisories may be
required.

And for Sun/Mon

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Additionally,
guidance is converging on the idea of a potentially impactful
winter storm for the region Sunday into Monday. Snow amounts will
be refined within the coming days, but with snow ratios between
15:1 and 20:1, snow accumulation will be efficient.

 

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On 1/9/2024 at 11:20 AM, The Ole Bucket said:

We're reeling Fri/Sat back in fellas. Won't be a historic one but it looks like it might deliver something. And then the COLD begins.


Curious to know (since I don't live anywhere near those parts this topic is focused on), exactly how cold is *COLD!* for you guys in that region of the Midwest/Plains?

- Along with wind chill?

 

On 1/9/2024 at 1:22 PM, The Ole Bucket said:

Sir this is a family forum. Images like this are not permitted.

I like how StormChazer completely ignored that and went right on to more model data discussion in here lol

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4 minutes ago, MoWeatherguy said:

What's up with this south trend?  Central AR getting hammered on models now. 

I expect the strong push of cold air to continue to push this south. I don’t expect much of anything in southern Missouri, and I’d be pretty nervous if I was in northern Arkansas. 

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24 minutes ago, MUWX said:

I expect the strong push of cold air to continue to push this south. I don’t expect much of anything in southern Missouri, and I’d be pretty nervous if I was in northern Arkansas. 

Was thinking the same thing.  Miss north then miss south.  SMDH.

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7 minutes ago, MoWeatherguy said:

Was thinking the same thing.  Miss north then miss south.  SMDH.

Coming out of this stretch with nothing but a couple dustings is hard to do, but it appears that is what I am about to do. Pattern looks very boring after Sunday too. 

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30 minutes ago, StormChazer said:

Euro makes me very unsettled.

Can only hope that this run was too much in one direction and know it will move back in the other.

I suppose the fact that every other model being in the other camp does help some.

The GFS has been the leader for this entire event... i'm in the GFS camp for now until proven otherwise. 

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I think you can disregard how dry the euro was, for now. However, you can’t ignore the overall southern trend it, and other models continue to show. Seems like a central OK to central AR storm

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Well, this type of system is all about the atmospheric response to the upper wave moving through and the temp advection at the 850-700 MB layer lifting up and over the cold air at the surface. The stronger the wave, the more lift that will be generated. If it comes out flatter/weaker than the temp advection will be weaker as the winds won't respond as much and the lift will be less, which generates less precip. There's also going to be banding that sets up where the lift stays the longest and that's the area that will get the heaviest amounts. 

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