michsnowfreak Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lightning said: 1982-83 was brutal. I remember hating that winter so much as a kid. The brown grass winter!! If I recall correctly a late snow (March or early April) prevented Detroit from breaking the low snowfall record. Not sure but I just remembering not to want to ever remember that winter.. Two late snows. March 21 & April 17 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Not that its any consolation, but remember Im talking days with 1"+ snowcover, so that doesnt count days of a Trace snowcover (a dusting or patches). Honestly TN averages less lol. Knoxville averages 5 days per winter of 1"+ snowcover & Nashville averages 6 days. For Detroit, the longterm avg is 50 days. Top 5 winters with least 1"+ snowcover days 10 days - 1936-37 11 days - 1931-32 12 days - 1918-19 15 days - 1982-83 16 days - 1952-53 Top 5 winters with most 1"+ snowcover days 96 days - 2013-14 91 days - 1977-78 89 days - 1947-48 89 days - 1981-82 86 days - 1966-67 Top 5 winters with least days of 0.1"+ snowfall 15 days - 1889-90 17 days - 1918-19 17 days - 1881-82 18 days - 1982-83 18 days - 1948-49 Top 5 winters with most days of 0.1"+ snowfall 62 days - 1925-26 61 days - 1884-85 56 days - 2013-14 52 days - 1880-81, 1892-93, 1903-04, 1911-12, 1985-86 Wowza at the minimum lists across. the. board. 4 of 5 top snowcover winters during my lifetime. Never knew about 47-48 tbh. My folks had their 1st house on Panama St. in Warren then and I don't remember them ever mentioning a "harsh winter" before moving north to Genesee Cnty. Surprised 1981-82 didn't make the list for frequent snowfalls. It was my first winter driving and it seemed to snow every other day where I was near KFNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 7 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Two late snows. March 21 & April 17 Yeah, that spring equinox storm was a legit 10" in Genesee Cnty (NE part). Saved a complete dumpster fire winter. Chucked a bone for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Lightning said: 1982-83 was brutal. I remember hating that winter so much as a kid. The brown grass winter!! If I recall correctly a late snow (March or early April) prevented Detroit from breaking the low snowfall record. Not sure but I just remembering not to want to ever remember that winter.. Especially right on the heels of 81-82 which rocked in all 3 categories - Snow/Snow cover/temps. I'd taken the year off between HS and college to get more skiing time, and had bought a snowmobile as well. Thought I'd do a lot of both before locking-down serious as I was a year younger than most in my grade. Well, what a waste of time that plan turned out to be. TWC was a new novelty on cable back then and I remember how pissed I was watching Denver getting buried by the Christmas blizzard while we looked out at snowless and brown ground. I was in eastern Genesee Cnty in Davison btw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Not that its any consolation, but remember Im talking days with 1"+ snowcover, so that doesnt count days of a Trace snowcover (a dusting or patches). Honestly TN averages less lol. Knoxville averages 5 days per winter of 1"+ snowcover & Nashville averages 6 days. For Detroit, the longterm avg is 50 days. Top 5 winters with least 1"+ snowcover days 10 days - 1936-37 11 days - 1931-32 12 days - 1918-19 15 days - 1982-83 16 days - 1952-53 Top 5 winters with most 1"+ snowcover days 96 days - 2013-14 91 days - 1977-78 89 days - 1947-48 89 days - 1981-82 86 days - 1966-67 Top 5 winters with least days of 0.1"+ snowfall 15 days - 1889-90 17 days - 1918-19 17 days - 1881-82 18 days - 1982-83 18 days - 1948-49 Top 5 winters with most days of 0.1"+ snowfall 62 days - 1925-26 61 days - 1884-85 56 days - 2013-14 52 days - 1880-81, 1892-93, 1903-04, 1911-12, 1985-86 I’m a bit surprised at the record for days with 1” snowcover. I would have thought Detroit had a few winter with over 100 days. Posting stats for Minneapolis as a comparison and humble brag for last winter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, RogueWaves said: Yeah, that spring equinox storm was a legit 10" in Genesee Cnty (NE part). Saved a complete dumpster fire winter. Chucked a bone for sure. I both loved and hated that storm. I was really hoping to break the futility record only to be squashed by an extremely beautiful cake storm. I think I may even have pictures of it (finding them might be tricky ). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 My take from my modelling method is suggesting a seasonable to warmer 1st half of Dec with the 2nd half being seasonable to colder. Most of Jan will be seasonable to warmer with the last week turning colder. Most of Feb looks seasonable to colder with the last week being warmer. Even March looks like a decent flux from week to week. This should keep things interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, Brian D said: My take from my modelling method is suggesting a seasonable to warmer 1st half of Dec with the 2nd half being seasonable to colder. Most of Jan will be seasonable to warmer with the last week turning colder. Most of Feb looks seasonable to colder with the last week being warmer. Even March looks like a decent flux from week to week. This should keep things interesting. Warm enough to keep it liquid thru December and most of Jan? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, hardypalmguy said: Warm enough to keep it liquid thru December and most of Jan? There are some posters in this sub forum that seem to be delusional about their climo and you win top prize for that. Actually I’m sure your act is more about trying to get people riled up than not understanding climo. The hard work it would take to grow palm trees in Wisconsin does make me wonder though. lol 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, roardog said: There are some posters in this sub forum that seem to be delusional about their climo and you win top prize for that. Actually I’m sure your act is more about trying to get people riled up than not understanding climo. The hard work it would take to grow palm trees in Wisconsin does make me wonder though. lol Growing palm trees in Wisconsin is actually pretty easy. I've done it for over a decade. And I had bare ground and green grass for almost the entire winter last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 16 hours ago, RogueWaves said: Wowza at the minimum lists across. the. board. 4 of 5 top snowcover winters during my lifetime. Never knew about 47-48 tbh. My folks had their 1st house on Panama St. in Warren then and I don't remember them ever mentioning a "harsh winter" before moving north to Genesee Cnty. Surprised 1981-82 didn't make the list for frequent snowfalls. It was my first winter driving and it seemed to snow every other day where I was near KFNT. The snowcover records date to the turn of the 20th century. I dont have data for the 1870s-1906 or so. Winters that likely would have made the top 5s for snowcover I have estimated: 1880-81 (top 5 whitest), 1881-82 (top 5 barest), 1889-90 (top 5 barest), 1903-04 (top 5 whitest). 1981-82 was above average with 47 days of measurable snow, but not near the top. 1947-48 was an interesting winter in that it was cold and void of any heavy snowfall, but white. The total snowfall the entire season was 28.4" with a peak depth of 5". However it remained white. There was a historic and crippling ice storm on Jan 1-2 which likely froze the snowpack in place. As was always the case back in the sh*t winter stretch from the 1930s-50s, whenever youd get a harsh winter, the next one was putrid (1948-49 was horrible). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, roardog said: There are some posters in this sub forum that seem to be delusional about their climo and you win top prize for that. Actually I’m sure your act is more about trying to get people riled up than not understanding climo. The hard work it would take to grow palm trees in Wisconsin does make me wonder though. lol Its all a tired act. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 16 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said: I’m a bit surprised at the record for days with 1” snowcover. I would have thought Detroit had a few winter with over 100 days. Posting stats for Minneapolis as a comparison and humble brag for last winter. Thaws usually ruin those odds, although you add in the trace days and you get more. Again, those days include either a dusting of fresh snow (on previous bare ground) or the even more popular days where the snowcover has gotten patchy. Unfortunately you wont find that in xmacis, so youd have to have a full collection of the data and do the stats yourself lol. Xmacis shows the T data, but theres no way to compute it into streaks of any kind. The top 5 winters with most days with T+ snowcover at Detroit. 121 days - 1977-78 119 days - 1925-26 118 days - 1976-77 117 days - 2013-14 116 days - 1958-59 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, hardypalmguy said: Warm enough to keep it liquid thru December and most of Jan? Even seasonable temps can produce snow down that way I'm sure, along with wrap around as the front moves through, and temps drop. So I guess we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, Brian D said: Even seasonable temps can produce snow down that way I'm sure, along with wrap around as the front moves through, and temps drop. So I guess we shall see. His question was not serious, he knows better. The monthly temperature departures can be way above average and the southern Great Lakes will still see snow. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian D said: Even seasonable temps can produce snow down that way I'm sure, along with wrap around as the front moves through, and temps drop. So I guess we shall see. Seasonable temps are above freezing until end of December. So any slight above plus warm lake influence will be rainers here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: His question was not serious, he knows better. The monthly temperature departures can be way above average and the southern Great Lakes will still see snow. The average high for MKE doesn't dip much below 32 even in the heart of winter. You have this false misconception that this is a true winter climate. We are borderline at best. Snowmobile trails locally haven't opened in the last three years. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, hardypalmguy said: Seasonable temps are above freezing until end of December. So any slight above plus warm lake influence will be rainers here. The month could be +15 and there could still be a blizzard. All it takes is a cold day or two in a “warm” month of December to get snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, roardog said: The month could be +15 and there could still be a blizzard. All it takes is a cold day or two in a “warm” month like December to get snow. and then it's gone the next day. fine by me. melt it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, hardypalmguy said: and then it's gone the next day. fine by me. melt it. Yeah but the point is that December, January and February could all be record warm months overall in Milwaukee and it could and probably would snow some in all 3 of those months. So, it’s impossible for Brian to answer your original question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyweather Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Not much of a start to Siberian snow cover season if one looks to such things to inform on winter expectations here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, luckyweather said: Not much of a start to Siberian snow cover season if one looks to such things to inform on winter expectations here. arctic is warming faster than here by far. still getting above freezing in barrow alaska. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, hardypalmguy said: arctic is warming faster than here by far. still getting above freezing in barrow alaska. They haven’t been above freezing in at least the last 3 days and the highest forecasted temp there this week is 33. Their normal high is 28, so it only has to be 5 degrees above normal to be above freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I guess we can just change this section to the Lake/Ohio Valley Climate discussion since a couple posters are now flooding each thread with climate change talk. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lightning said: I guess we can just change this section to the Lake/Ohio Valley Climate discussion since a couple posters are now flooding each thread with climate change talk. You gotta look at the big picture for the smaller one to become clear. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Growing palm trees in Wisconsin is actually pretty easy. I've done it for over a decade. And I had bare ground and green grass for almost the entire winter last year.*painted green grass.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Wait, mofo painted his grass green? What a ridiculous nonsensical thing to do 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Wait, mofo painted his grass green? What a ridiculous nonsensical thing to do I think enjoying crusty brown dirty looking snow to be ridiculous and nonsensical. I prefer colors over brown, white and gray. Mid January below. Looks amazing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 You are ridiculous, just move to Florida already 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 I'll settle this! No precip for you all winter. No need to worry about if it's rain or snow. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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