SolidIcewx Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Yeah the elevation from Columbus to Delaware ranges. 650 feet or so on the south side and 1100 feet up towards Delaware. A similar thing to an extent here in SE Michigan when it comes to Livingston county. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvsnow Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 hours ago, IWXwx said: Xenia obviously takes the honors for the most powerful tornado, but I am willing to bet that Van Wert leads in numbers. I will have to look it up when I have time. Is it too late to bet? Xenia, OH Natural Disasters and Weather Extremes USA.com http://www.usa.com › Ohio › Xenia, OH A total of 73 historical tornado events that had recorded magnitude of 2 or above found in or near Xenia, OH. Distance (miles), Date, Magnitude, Start Lat/Log .I Van Wert, OH Natural Disasters and Weather Extremes USA.com http://www.usa.com › ... › Van Wert, OH A total of 62 historical tornado events that had recorded magnitude of 2 or above found in or near Van Wert, OH. ... * The information on this page is based on ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 hours ago, IWXwx said: Xenia obviously takes the honors for the most powerful tornado, but I am willing to bet that Van Wert leads in numbers. I will have to look it up when I have time. I am sure you are right on this. NW Ohio is the tornado alley of Ohio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Is it too late to bet? Xenia, OH Natural Disasters and Weather Extremes USA.com http://www.usa.com › Ohio › Xenia, OH A total of 73 historical tornado events that had recorded magnitude of 2 or above found in or near Xenia, OH. Distance (miles), Date, Magnitude, Start Lat/Log .I Van Wert, OH Natural Disasters and Weather Extremes USA.com http://www.usa.com › ... › Van Wert, OH A total of 62 historical tornado events that had recorded magnitude of 2 or above found in or near Van Wert, OH. ... * The information on this page is based on ... Van Wert County is likely the busiest, it’s a small town so going off the county is your best bet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baum Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 snow on Halloween is never a good sign longer term. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 47 minutes ago, Baum said: snow on Halloween is never a good sign longer term. I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Baum said: snow on Halloween is never a good sign longer term. Interesting concept that a single day's weather event in October will control the entire winter pattern. Is it a specific location can't get snow or the entire globe? I think it may not have much impact. Flint MI got snow Halloween 2017 and then proceeded to break the season snowfall record during the 2017-2018 winter. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baum Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Lightning said: Interesting concept that a single day's weather event in October will control the entire winter pattern. Is it a specific location can't get snow or the entire globe? I think it may not have much impact. Flint MI got snow Halloween 2017 and then proceeded to break the season snowfall record during the 2017-2018 winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillsdaleMIWeather Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 You don't want snow on Halloween because you think it will ruin the season I don't want snow on Halloween because I can't dress as Michael Myers to give kids candy and be warm We are not the same 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary67 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Baum said: snow on Halloween is never a good sign longer term. Definitely fools gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 hours ago, Baum said: snow on Halloween is never a good sign longer term. There's really not a big correlation one way or the other... ...Chicago Halloween-Winter Snowfall Comparison Stats... 2019: 3.4" = Winter 2019/20: 34.8" (Neutral/El Nino) 2014: 0.1" - Winter 2014/15: 50.7" (El Nino) 1993: T - Winter 1993/94: 41.8" (Neutral) 1955: T - Winter 1955/56: 26.3" (La Nina) 1926: T - Winter 1926/27: 23.8" 1918: T - Winter 1918/19: 28.7" 1917: T - Winter 1917/18: 64.1" 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnwx85 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Good to be back, friends. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 How is this not a huge -NAO and huge +PNA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 8:27 PM, Chicago Storm said: There's really not a big correlation one way or the other... ...Chicago Halloween-Winter Snowfall Comparison Stats... 2019: 3.4" = Winter 2019/20: 34.8" (Neutral/El Nino) 2014: 0.1" - Winter 2014/15: 50.7" (El Nino) 1993: T - Winter 1993/94: 41.8" (Neutral) 1955: T - Winter 1955/56: 26.3" (La Nina) 1926: T - Winter 1926/27: 23.8" 1918: T - Winter 1918/19: 28.7" 1917: T - Winter 1917/18: 64.1" A lot of it is weather superstition, of which we have plenty of lol. It doesnt help that we had a stretch of snowy, cold Novembers followed by mild Decembers the past decade. But in reality, it is no predicator of what winter will bring. Detroit Halloween-Winter Snowfall: 2023: 0.2" - Winter 2023-24: ? 2019: T - Winter 2019-20: 43.7" (mild) 2017: T - Winter 2017-18: 61.0" (avg/slightly cold) 2014: T - Winter 2014-15: 47.5" (cold) 1993: 0.1" - Winter 1993-94: 45.8" (cold) 1955: T - Winter 1955-56: 45.2" (avg/slightly cold) 1917: T - Winter 1917-18: 38.4" (cold) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Larry Cosgrove sees a similarity so far to 2009/2010 djf. (72-73 also but I dunno if anyone knows what kind of winter that was except for josh) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said: Larry Cosgrove sees a similarity so far to 2009/2010 djf. (72-73 also but I dunno if anyone knows what kind of winter that was except for josh) 1972-73 was like a colder version of last winter in that our area had multiple snowstorms while the East Coast had next to nothing. It was milder than average and not a great winter for snowcover, but definitely had its ups and downs and multiple wintry spells. 2009-10 was a decent winter. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Stevo6899 said: Larry Cosgrove sees a similarity so far to 2009/2010 djf. (72-73 also but I dunno if anyone knows what kind of winter that was except for josh) It was known for the St. Patty's Day storm that buried cities like Jackson and Bay City with 20+. A colder version is what SEMI needs. Something between 72-73 & 02-03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 7 hours ago, RogueWaves said: It was known for the St. Patty's Day storm that buried cities like Jackson and Bay City with 20+. A colder version is what SEMI needs. Something between 72-73 & 02-03 Good thing I wasn't around for that. I'm all for wild temp swings as it may be the only setup/way we can get that historic big one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 18 hours ago, RogueWaves said: It was known for the St. Patty's Day storm that buried cities like Jackson and Bay City with 20+. A colder version is what SEMI needs. Something between 72-73 & 02-03 Detroit got 9.9" with the 1973 St Patty's storm. It was after a warm March to that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 20 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: 1972-73 was like a colder version of last winter in that our area had multiple snowstorms while the East Coast had next to nothing. It was milder than average and not a great winter for snowcover, but definitely had its ups and downs and multiple wintry spells. 2009-10 was a decent winter. 2009-2010 was a decent winter for you?! Thats crazy because that winter is ranked as one of the worst in Torontos history haha. 52.5cm or about 20" of snow for the entire season (average season is around 40-45" across the GTA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 44 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said: 2009-2010 was a decent winter for you?! Thats crazy because that winter is ranked as one of the worst in Torontos history haha. 52.5cm or about 20" of snow for the entire season (average season is around 40-45" across the GTA) Snowfall was around average at Detroit, but it was by far the most tame winter in a great stretch. I had 46.1" but 27" of that fell in Feb. I can remember the snow drought of Toronto and Northern New England that winter. I remember it was much colder that winter than I expected considering the enso state. 2007-08: 71.7" 2008-09: 65.7" 2009-10: 43.7" 2010-11: 69.1" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: Detroit got 9.9" with the 1973 St Patty's storm. It was after a warm March to that point. That's why I said we'd need a colder version like the Mod Nino of 02-03. Despite this early warmth (which I'm fine with tbh), I think we have a shot at the colder scenario working out. We may get there via some crazy swings though. Torch months like Dec '14 mixed with record cold months like Feb '15 could be in play. I doubt it gets cold and stays that way like 02-03. Palm peeps say that's in the mirror now for our region anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, michsnowfreak said: Snowfall was around average at Detroit, but it was by far the most tame winter in a great stretch. I had 46.1" but 27" of that fell in Feb. I can remember the snow drought of Toronto and Northern New England that winter. I remember it was much colder that winter than I expected considering the enso state. 2007-08: 71.7" 2008-09: 65.7" 2009-10: 43.7" 2010-11: 69.1" 09-10 was actually an AN snowfall season further west. Then we slid downwards as 2010-11 favored SEMI better than SWMI. You'd see that if it weren't for all the "M's". I really like how there's an "M" for the season in 19-20 even tho none in the months for that year: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 14 hours ago, Stevo6899 said: Good thing I wasn't around for that. I'm all for wild temp swings as it may be the only setup/way we can get that historic big one... Not sure which season you are speaking of there? As for the wild swings, see my other post and I agree. 1991-92 may fall into that camp as well. Iirc, it was a Nino that delivered an impressive "Detroit Special" in mid-January (some say it was a triple-phaser). 10-15" across the region in very dynamic fashion had much of the city at a virtual standstill. I was living in Traverse at the time and we'd had a blah season to that point so I wasn't too happy, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Ready to torch. No sight of winter in long range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 hours ago, RogueWaves said: Not sure which season you are speaking of there? As for the wild swings, see my other post and I agree. 1991-92 may fall into that camp as well. Iirc, it was a Nino that delivered an impressive "Detroit Special" in mid-January (some say it was a triple-phaser). 10-15" across the region in very dynamic fashion had much of the city at a virtual standstill. I was living in Traverse at the time and we'd had a blah season to that point so I wasn't too happy, lol. I'm glad i wasn't alive for the 72 season and witnessed bay city get 2 feet while myself 80 or so miles to the SE got slop lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said: I'm glad i wasn't alive for the 72 season and witnessed bay city get 2 feet while myself 80 or so miles to the SE got slop lol. As @michsnowfreak posted, it wasn't a complete whiff for Detroit. Even the city reported 5" depth, and Pontiac was 10". But it was one of those shoulder season systems just cold enough to snow, and a week later only piles remained. Jackson and the Tri-Cities regions were both epicenters and no doubt memorable similar to my own April '75 Big Dog experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambana Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Rereading the threads from the legendary winter of 2013-14 and explaining that year to my son be like 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Let's just do this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 12:15 PM, Chinook said: How is this not a huge -NAO and huge +PNA Partially an example as to why it's not wise to take any given teleconnection at face value based off one of the plots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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