SolidIcewx Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, RogueWaves said: Back in 11-12, I wasn't taking daily snow fall measurements, just seasonal totals. I had 47.2" surprisingly enough. Caught the jack-zone with the 11-29-11 storm, and January was actually decent (check KBTL to confirm). My personal string is due to Marshall being in a dead zone 3 winters ago, then I moved to Canton and found another screw zone here the past two winters. To be clear I consider 2019-20 to be an AVG season. Comfortably within the +/-5% window I personally use for that ranking. Not sure what exactly the official record uses for determinations? Last 4 winters for mby: amt/avg/depart. 2022-23: 33.5"/45"/-9.5" 2021-22: 35.6"/45"/-9.4" 2020-21: 36.2"/49.7"/-13.5" 2019-20: 48.0"/49.7"/-1.7" How did your side of Canton fare from those severe storms in late August? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, SolidIcewx said: How did your side of Canton fare from those severe storms in late August? Oh, we had flooding here, the small stream that runs right through my complex was 6X it's normal width and way over it's banks. Parking lots were small ponds, but the worst was just a mile or so SW of mby. I feel fortunate to have not personally been ill-affected. Lost power in the March snowstorm which was no fun at all. The minor twister(s) were also about 2-3 miles SW of here. Were they near your place at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 reeling in this late week rainer. Hoping for 2"+. Hoping it trends away. I have a full weekend of tropical takedown in front of me yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Frost and Freeze advisories all around. The growing season ends for most of Minnesota tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, OrdIowPitMsp said: Frost and Freeze advisories all around. The growing season ends for most of Minnesota tonight. You can really see how the Great Lakes saves MI, ON, NY and areas right along its shoreline from frost. Only down to low 40s for most of us 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhou Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Down to 43 degrees so far, lets see how low we get down to tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Freeze looking pretty likely as the temp is already down to 36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 9 hours ago, mississaugasnow said: You can really see how the Great Lakes saves MI, ON, NY and areas right along its shoreline from frost. Only down to low 40s for most of us I totally agree the Great Lakes do influence the temps in these area's. Cloud cover from the spinning low north of the GLs also had a significant impact with the temps last night. I have been in the mid-30s the past couple mornings with clear skies even with >10 MPH winds. This morning temps are low 40s with the cloud cover. It would have likely been in the low/mid 30s if it were clear out as the winds this morning are <5 MPH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 First freeze in the books as we made it down to 29 so far. Even colder than expected. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 The forecast was 35º for a low, but the airport hit 30º and there is a thin layer of ice on my bird bath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwx Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 only down to 40, cloud cover kept us from a frost last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 20 hours ago, roardog said: There’s no way a house will stay above 68 when the air temp outside is as cool as it’s been with wind for this many days unless you’re doing something inside the house that warms it up. Plus it was cloudier, colder, and windier here than MKE. Also, my house started colder because I left the windows open during the transition day that fell between AC & furnace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 hours ago, WestMichigan said: That sounds expensive. What is the payback period on that? Also do you have very many windows? Glass is a poor insulator. I have a 95-year old house, lots of windows, and no 4 ft of insulation in the attic lol. But again, see above post. I have no issue with running the heat now, itll be on the next 7 months, why wait? Just like with the AC, set a temp and it will run when it needs to run. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 17 hours ago, RogueWaves said: Back in 11-12, I wasn't taking daily snow fall measurements, just seasonal totals. I had 47.2" surprisingly enough. Caught the jack-zone with the 11-29-11 storm, and January was actually decent (check KBTL to confirm). My personal string is due to Marshall being in a dead zone 3 winters ago, then I moved to Canton and found another screw zone here the past two winters. To be clear I consider 2019-20 to be an AVG season. Comfortably within the +/-5% window I personally use for that ranking. Not sure what exactly the official record uses for determinations? Last 4 winters for mby: amt/avg/depart. 2022-23: 33.5"/45"/-9.5" 2021-22: 35.6"/45"/-9.4" 2020-21: 36.2"/49.7"/-13.5" 2019-20: 48.0"/49.7"/-1.7" That explains it. 2020-21 did better in the metro than west. I remember that weather guy Adam (in Jackson) losing it lol. And we sometimes forget that youve moved around lol. For me, 2011-12 is the low-bar mark of my lifetime (25.5"). Pic after storm 2-16-21 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said: I have a 95-year old house, lots of windows, and no 4 ft of insulation in the attic lol. But again, see above post. I have no issue with running the heat now, itll be on the next 7 months, why wait? Just like with the AC, set a temp and it will run when it needs to run. The way I look at it is unless you’re really struggling with money, there’s no reason to be uncomfortable in your home. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, roardog said: The way I look at it is unless you’re really struggling with money, there’s no reason to be uncomfortable in your home. Some people are weirdos about that, like I don't get it. If you can afford to keep your house cool or warm, why fight it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Stebo said: Some people are weirdos about that, like I don't get it. If you can afford to keep your house cool or warm, why fight it. I dont either, and you see it every year. "its too early" for the furnace in early October, so youll freeze in your house. Not willing to set the thermostat to 68 while its in the 40s outside, but they have no problem setting it to 68 when its 0 outside in mid-winter, which goes without saying the furnace is working way harder in Jan than October. And you see the same thing in May when some say its "too early" to turn on the AC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, michsnowfreak said: I dont either, and you see it every year. "its too early" for the furnace in early October, so youll freeze in your house. Not willing to set the thermostat to 68 while its in the 40s outside, but they have no problem setting it to 68 when its 0 outside in mid-winter, which goes without saying the furnace is working way harder in Jan than October. And you see the same thing in May when some say its "too early" to turn on the AC. Its not getting above 60 at all this week, eventually these houses will be in the low 60s or lower at night. Its just dumb. Last week I used the ac driving to work and the heat home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Its not getting above 60 at all this week, eventually these houses will be in the low 60s or lower at night. Its just dumb. Last week I used the ac driving to work and the heat home.Depends how well you insulated and how good your windows are. Still have yet to get below 70 without running any heat. Just purrs along 70-74 all day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/8/2023 at 12:28 PM, Brian D said: Prelim data coming in, and chalk up another very warm Sept, driven by the strong + anoms in the W Sub. 5 & 10 yr trend charts shown respectively. Interesting. I did an abridged version for the Lower Great Lakes in September back to 1860, since I didn't have time to transcribe earlier records. I have the warmest years as 1881, 1931, 1921, 2015, 2016, and 2018. The coolest years were 1918, 1975, 1860, 1883, 1863 & 1866. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Interesting. I did an abridged version for the Lower Great Lakes in September back to 1860, since I didn't have time to transcribe earlier records. I have the warmest years as 1881, 1931, 1921, 2015, 2016, and 2018. The coolest years were 1918, 1975, 1860, 1883, 1863 & 1866. Incidentally, NCEI recently released its national rankings. For the Great Lakes region as a whole, 2023 came in as 16th warmest on record (since 1895). The top five warmest years in the NCEI/NOAA dataset for the larger Great Lakes region are: 2015 (65.2F), 1931 (64.8F), 1921 (64.2F), 2005 (64.1F) and 2016 (64.1F). Since the official records date only to 1895, there is no data for 1881; however, that would almost certainly be among the warmest Septembers on record. The top five coolest years (since 1895) in the NCEI/NOAA dataset for the larger Great Lakes Region are: 1918 (52.8F); 1924 (54.9F); 1975 (55.1F); 1896 (55.4F); and 1928 (55.4F). Of note, NOAA/NCEI estimates trend at +1.2F/century for September in the Great Lakes region, since 1895. This matches the estimated trend since 1860 from the dataset I put together for the lower Lakes region (0.66C/century, which equals +1.18F/century). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Seasonal gales are upon us. Bad day for that crew in 1905. Ore boats were a little on the small size compared to today. And as a side note, NWS DLH is officially done with frost/freeze advisories for the season as of today. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Interesting. I did an abridged version for the Lower Great Lakes in September back to 1860, since I didn't have time to transcribe earlier records. I have the warmest years as 1881, 1931, 1921, 2015, 2016, and 2018. The coolest years were 1918, 1975, 1860, 1883, 1863 & 1866. 1881 is the warmest September at Detroit by 2.4° over 2nd place. Incredibly warm month which would be followed by the warmest Winter on record. And all this after the harsh 1880-81 winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwx Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 33 at the house this morning with widespread frost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 38 at the airport. Heavy frost at my suburban office again today. Car thermometer read 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 34 minutes ago, madwx said: 33 at the house this morning with widespread frost Woke up to light rain and 46 in palm land. Still no frost here this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 looks like last sunny day for a while, obv long ways from frost here with lots of flowering plants looking just fine still 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, A-L-E-K said: looks like last sunny day for a while, obv long ways from frost here with lots of flowering plants looking just fine still Chicago should be upgraded to zone 7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 12:46 PM, michsnowfreak said: That explains it. 2020-21 did better in the metro than west. I remember that weather guy Adam (in Jackson) losing it lol. And we sometimes forget that youve moved around lol. For me, 2011-12 is the low-bar mark of my lifetime (25.5"). Pic after storm 2-16-21 That winter I had nothing approaching that for snow cover. To get an image like that would've required deploying some kind of painting technique. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, RogueWaves said: That winter I had nothing approaching that for snow cover. To get an image like that would've required deploying some kind of painting technique. Our depth here peaked at 15". BTW...a friend of mine who lives in a brand new condo refused to turn the heat on until today. As his temp inside dropped to 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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