Typhoon Tip Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, rclab said: I remember growing up in the 50’s, my father saying that it was cold enough to snow or too cold to snow. Knowing little more than I do now about the machinations of the atmosphere I hung onto the 12 inch Magnavox weather forecasts or the radio. I would get so angry when it was so cold because invariably I’d hear the same radio refrain; “increasing cloudiness and milder”. The weather guy on Dave Garroways today show would say, we need one of these lows to the south to plug into one of these cold highs over us to get snow. Such, as a child was I satisfied. Now, in the last of my years, hearing what it takes to get snow to the coastal plain I think of such simplicity as nostalgic and endearing. Thank you for the memory ORH. Stay well, as always … There is some partial usefulness to the notion of 'too cold to snow' ... the problem is in the application of it. The reason that was coined is because colder air holds less water vapor. That, and ... high pressure N is both a cold pattern, but can often be too much of a good thing in that it can be a surface representation of a suppressed field. That is indirectly 'too cold to snow' but is kind of a Lawyer's definition of it. If one is lazy or playing with semantics (either), saying it is too cold to snow in a cold weighty high pressure ( suppressed pattern), you wouldn't be wrong that sort of, but you'd get partial credit on the exam. Fact of that matter is, it can snow at any temperature if the dynamics are sufficient. In 2015 February ... one of those coastal storms was a cold juggernaut, and we still managed 15 to 18" of it through a 5F air mass and wind gusts to 50 mph! It was like those blue light cryo scenes over a dusky Barrow ... sorry, Utqiagvik Alaska. That storm ended at 0 F, too... flurries with blowing snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Spanks45 said: you need a woodstove.....It is amazing during October and November. A few hours of burning it and the house is well over 70°. The best part is, it only takes a few good pieces to get the temperature up to those levels.... I had one in our last house. Worked fine but I don’t have the bandwidth to do all the wood prepping like kdxken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, tamarack said: Depended on location, of course. 1981-82 and 83-84 (Fort Kent) were very snowy and 86-87 (Gardiner) had ~50" in January and a long deep pack. Then the pre-Thanksgiving blizzard that began the 6-week cold snap in 1989 included the 2nd of my 3 lifetime thundersnows. (Other 2 are 12/24/1966 in NNJ [thought the first crack was sonic boom because snow/thunder "couldn't happen"] and 2/11/2005 here.) Yeah for many of us the 1980s reference is really mostly after the 83-84 winter through the 1991-92 winter which is something we should specify more often since any normal person would look at the entire decade....86-87 was spectacular over the interior (though I missed the majority of that one living in Texas at the time)....and '87-'88 was serviceable. But the defining feature of the mid 1980s through early 1990s was the lack of blockbuster periods or winters to offset the absolute turds. '86-'87 was really the exception (and mostly January 1987 at that). Of course, anyone who is very familiar with SNE first order climo knows also about the 10 year streak where Boston failed to record a 12"+ snowstorm....a stretch that started after the February 1983 KU event and ended with the March 1993 Superstorm. That brutal period also includes the only time that ORH did not record a 10"+ storm in 3 consecutive winters....and they actually managed to do it for 4 in a row ('88-'89 through '91-'92) just to make sure we all knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah for many of us the 1980s reference is really mostly after the 83-84 winter through the 1991-92 winter which is something we should specify more often since any normal person would look at the entire decade....86-87 was spectacular over the interior (though I missed the majority of that one living in Texas at the time)....and '87-'88 was serviceable. But the defining feature of the mid 1980s through early 1990s was the lack of blockbuster periods or winters to offset the absolute turds. '86-'87 was really the exception (and mostly January 1987 at that). Of course, anyone who is very familiar with SNE first order climo knows also about the 10 year streak where Boston failed to record a 12"+ snowstorm....a stretch that started after the February 1983 KU event and ended with the March 1993 Superstorm. That brutal period also includes the only time that ORH did not record a 10"+ storm in 3 consecutive winters....and they actually managed to do it for 4 in a row ('88-'89 through '91-'92) just to make sure we all knew. Were those winters drier than normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Were those winters drier than normal For SNE, every single winter between 1984-85 and 1991-92 was drier than normal except the '86-'87 winter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah for many of us the 1980s reference is really mostly after the 83-84 winter through the 1991-92 winter which is something we should specify more often since any normal person would look at the entire decade....86-87 was spectacular over the interior (though I missed the majority of that one living in Texas at the time)....and '87-'88 was serviceable. But the defining feature of the mid 1980s through early 1990s was the lack of blockbuster periods or winters to offset the absolute turds. '86-'87 was really the exception (and mostly January 1987 at that). Of course, anyone who is very familiar with SNE first order climo knows also about the 10 year streak where Boston failed to record a 12"+ snowstorm....a stretch that started after the February 1983 KU event and ended with the March 1993 Superstorm. That brutal period also includes the only time that ORH did not record a 10"+ storm in 3 consecutive winters....and they actually managed to do it for 4 in a row ('88-'89 through '91-'92) just to make sure we all knew. Heh ... I was living in Acton at that time .. I don't remember it that way to be honest. We had one or two unexpected/over achievers, but we had too many giant historical bombs that cranked the Cape at the last minute and we ended with flurry orb sun in 9F cold for me to be sold by that adjective. It didn't suck ... it left too much on the table though. 1980s were a special kind of hell. I'm not going to allow a C/C+ winter in the midst of it diminish it's uniquely dark value. lol. It wasn't just not snowing - it had of way of rubbing it in for years on end 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just dry brown leaves. 8 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, kdxken said: Just dry brown leaves. That’s some solid color there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: The older I get, the less I care for useless cold in the fall. Burning oil to keep the house at 65 in Oct is useless as well. Climo makes cold just about useless through at least the first third to half of December too… There’s nothing wrong with normal. That’s about a 61 high/40 low here. Today is glorious. Crisp morning and beautiful afternoon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, kdxken said: Just dry brown leaves. Ya, as I said the last few days, the foliage has really rallied. Folks sold it off way too early. It’s quite nice in SNE now, with some very beautiful color to be seen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said: For SNE, every single winter between 1984-85 and 1991-92 was drier than normal except the '86-'87 winter. Stein of winters yore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah for many of us the 1980s reference is really mostly after the 83-84 winter through the 1991-92 winter which is something we should specify more often since any normal person would look at the entire decade....86-87 was spectacular over the interior (though I missed the majority of that one living in Texas at the time)....and '87-'88 was serviceable. But the defining feature of the mid 1980s through early 1990s was the lack of blockbuster periods or winters to offset the absolute turds. '86-'87 was really the exception (and mostly January 1987 at that). Of course, anyone who is very familiar with SNE first order climo knows also about the 10 year streak where Boston failed to record a 12"+ snowstorm....a stretch that started after the February 1983 KU event and ended with the March 1993 Superstorm. That brutal period also includes the only time that ORH did not record a 10"+ storm in 3 consecutive winters....and they actually managed to do it for 4 in a row ('88-'89 through '91-'92) just to make sure we all knew. Average for 25 years here is 88.6" and for the first 20 we never had consecutive winters without a 12"+ event. Then we had 3, 18-19 thru 20-21 and only the 12.4" storm in early Feb 2022 prevented a 4th. The real end was last Dec's 22" bomb. Looks like we'll have our 9th straight cloudy/mostly cloudy day today, and probably the 1st sub-50 max of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Boston/Norton MA 156 PM EDT Mon Oct 23 2023 CTZ002>004-MAZ017-018-RIZ001-240700- /O.NEW.KBOX.FR.Y.0004.231024T0600Z-231024T1300Z/ Hartford CT-Tolland CT-Windham CT-Northern Bristol MA- Western Plymouth MA-Northwest Providence RI- Including the cities of Hartford, Windsor Locks, Union, Vernon, Putnam, Willimantic, Taunton, Brockton, Foster, and Smithfield 156 PM EDT Mon Oct 23 2023 ...FROST ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 9 AM EDT TUESDAY... * WHAT...Temperatures as low as 34 will result in frost formation. * WHERE...In Connecticut, Hartford, Tolland and Windham Counties. In Massachusetts, Northern Bristol and Western Plymouth Counties. In Rhode Island, Northwest Providence County. * WHEN...From 2 AM to 9 AM EDT Tuesday. * IMPACTS...Frost could kill sensitive outdoor vegetation if left uncovered. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Take steps now to protect tender plants from the cold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metagraphica Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, ineedsnow said: ... ...FROST ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 9 AM EDT TUESDAY... ... Take steps now to protect tender plants from the cold. Yep, down here too. Just finished bringing all the important plants inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 Don’t understand the frost advisories. 95% won’t see one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Congrats cranberry bogs and Bridgewater Triangle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just read about Will’s 80s recollection. I’ll say it again and beat it over the head of people like Brett. You have no idea how bad it was. 6” was like getting 12-18 now and it’s not hyperbole. You cherished the storms we got and seasons like 86-88. Also, there were a few storms that destroyed the cape and left everyone else screwed. Even where I was, those storms porked and thank god the internet was not around. We only had people like Shelby Scott from WBZ to let us know how bad it was in spots. That hurt enough lol. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Just read about Will’s 80s recollection. I’ll say it again and beat it over the head of people like Brett. You have no idea how bad it was. 6” was like getting 12-18 now and it’s not hyperbole. You cherished the storms we got and seasons like 86-88. Also, there were a few storms that destroyed the cape and left everyone else screwed. Even where I was, those storms porked and thank god the internet was not around. We only had people like Shelby Scott from WBZ to let us know how bad it was in spots. That hurt enough lol. That’s how it is now down here in the hinterlands half a decade (minus a near normal year) and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: That’s how it is now down here in the hinterlands half a decade (minus a near normal year) and counting. Imagine going a decade without a 12”+ event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Congrats cranberry bogs and Bridgewater Triangle. Makes no sense . Almost all of SNE will grow everything into early Nov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Just read about Will’s 80s recollection. I’ll say it again and beat it over the head of people like Brett. You have no idea how bad it was. 6” was like getting 12-18 now and it’s not hyperbole. You cherished the storms we got and seasons like 86-88. Also, there were a few storms that destroyed the cape and left everyone else screwed. Even where I was, those storms porked and thank god the internet was not around. We only had people like Shelby Scott from WBZ to let us know how bad it was in spots. That hurt enough lol. Much of my childhood sucked for snow . One storm I recall fondly was Nov 89 . Had 8” of paste and thundersnow . Most of it fell overnight and over by morning . Had quite a bit of limb and tree damage. The 70’s in NJ were in general good . But the 80’s blew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Much of my childhood sucked for snow . One storm I recall fondly was Nov 89 . Had 8” of paste and thundersnow . Most of it fell overnight and over by morning . Had quite a bit of limb and tree damage. The 70’s in NJ were in general good . But the 80’s blew Nov 89 was the thanksgiving day storm…snowed all morning…was riding my sled all over the neighborhood that T Giving morning. 82-83 and 83-84 were pretty good. I mean spring of ‘82 we had the April blizzard…was Incredible. Late 70’s rocked big time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Just read about Will’s 80s recollection. I’ll say it again and beat it over the head of people like Brett. You have no idea how bad it was. 6” was like getting 12-18 now and it’s not hyperbole. You cherished the storms we got and seasons like 86-88. Also, there were a few storms that destroyed the cape and left everyone else screwed. Even where I was, those storms porked and thank god the internet was not around. We only had people like Shelby Scott from WBZ to let us know how bad it was in spots. That hurt enough lol. Okay boomer . J/k The lows are definitely lower now though. Tough to argue that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The April 82 Blizzard looked about as cold an airmass as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Curious to how many people have Ravens nearby? I'vespent almost all my life in New England and had never seen one until a couple years back. They had been wiped out. Since then I'll hear them more than see them and usually only a single Raven. Left a gut pile from a deer in a field over the weekend. Today there must have been 10 or 20 of them. They were chasing away the vultures and hawks. Here's a video if anyone's interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 Winter .. just not in the East .. sometime in Dec it may hit for a few days. Until then … https://x.com/nwscpc/status/1716554116221325815?s=46&t=dhcbvkjmRcyBVQtDxJ3lRg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Okay boomer . J/k The lows are definitely lower now though. Tough to argue that. Nahhh…no way. It was for many years on end then. I/we lived it. This ain’t even close yet. Let’s so hope it doesn’t get there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Much of my childhood sucked for snow . One storm I recall fondly was Nov 89 . Had 8” of paste and thundersnow . Most of it fell overnight and over by morning . Had quite a bit of limb and tree damage. The 70’s in NJ were in general good . But the 80’s blew You might be thinking of veterans day 87. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: Nahhh…no way. It was for many years on end then. I/we lived it. This ain’t even close yet. Let’s so hope it doesn’t get there either. Nope. Only thing was that we had some better cold then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: The April 82 Blizzard looked about as cold an airmass as possible It was very impressive….especially for the date. Days leading up were very mild too. Was hard to believe it was coming. But it came indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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