Maestrobjwa Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 So they move Artscape to September to escape the July heat...and now the first year back it gets raised on, lolol Sheesh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Stormfly said: That's shocking but I know intensity forecasts seem most difficult as we've seen in the past. The first SHIPS forecast was eye opening and I think there’s a good chance of the dynamics I posted about earlier leading to development of an inner core. Time is the limitation here, I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 FWIW, 12z CMC still very wet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Euro is a solid 1-3 inches of rain region wide NW to SE. The windiest panel is 18 kt sustained winds in DC. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, SomeguyfromTakomaPark said: Euro is a solid 1-3 inches of rain region wide NW to SE. The windiest panel is 18 kt sustained winds in DC. Not as wet as the last 2 runs, especially for areas further inland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 BULLETIN Potential Tropical Cyclone Sixteen Intermediate Advisory Number 1A NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL162023 200 PM EDT Thu Sep 21 2023 ...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR LIFE-THREATENING STORM SURGE OVER PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHEAST AND MID-ATLANTIC COASTS BEGINNING ON FRIDAY... SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...29.0N 75.9W ABOUT 355 MI...565 KM SE OF CHARLESTON SOUTH CAROLINA ABOUT 430 MI...690 KM S OF CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 10 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1012 MB...29.89 INCHES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, SomeguyfromTakomaPark said: Euro is a solid 1-3 inches of rain region wide NW to SE. The windiest panel is 18 kt sustained winds in DC. is 18kt sustained even WA or HHW criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Windy wording has entered the zones... wind gusts to 40 mph in DC Zone Forecast Product National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC 134 PM EDT Thu Sep 21 2023 DCZ001-212100- District of Columbia- Including the city of Washington 134 PM EDT Thu Sep 21 2023 .THIS AFTERNOON...Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. .TONIGHT...Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. .FRIDAY...Partly sunny in the morning, then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 70s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. .FRIDAY NIGHT...Cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening, then rain likely after midnight. Lows around 60. Northeast winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent. .SATURDAY...Rain, windy with highs in the mid 60s. North winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent. .SATURDAY NIGHT...Rain likely. Windy with lows in the upper 50s. Chance of rain 70 percent. .SUNDAY...Showers likely. Highs in the upper 60s. Chance of rain 60 percent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Updated afternoon discussion from LWX Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC 233 PM EDT Thu Sep 21 2023 .SYNOPSIS... High pressure will remain to the north across New England through early Friday. An area of low pressure will approach from the southeastern U.S. coast Friday into the upcoming weekend. The low pressure system will exit by late Sunday with high pressure building over the Mid-Atlantic early next week. && .NEAR TERM /THROUGH FRIDAY/... High pressure over New England will drift to just offshore of Nova Scotia while low pressure deepens offshore of the Southeast and heads for the Carolinas (possibly acquiring tropical/sub- tropical characteristics - refer to hurricanes.gov for details). This will result in an uptick in high and mid-level clouds, seasonable temperatures, and gradually increasing easterly breezes especially by late Friday afternoon. && .SHORT TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/... A rather blocky upper-level jet pattern will be evident through the weekend over North America, with a blocking area of high pressure over the Canadian Maritimes. This should result in deepening low pressure heading into the Carolinas Friday night. To the north of this low and between the high pressure to the north, easterly winds will increase substantially Friday night into Saturday. The strongest winds are expected closer to and over the Chesapeake Bay; in these areas, gusts could reach or exceed 50 mph. Further west to and including the Blue Ridge and Catoctin Mountains, 30 to 40 mph wind gusts will likely be more commonplace. Breezy conditions at slightly lower speeds are anticipated further west. The wind should persist for 12-18 hours late Friday night through Saturday night as the low creeps in from the south. Given the persistent winds and anticipated waves of rain, this may result in isolated wind damage (i.e. tree/branch/power line damage). These winds will also bring in tropical moisture and a threat for heavy rainfall (see the Hydrology section below). Rain is most likely in two waves: (1) with an initial moisture advection band late Friday night into Saturday morning, and (2) with the low itself Saturday afternoon and night. Lingering rain and precipitation from an area of low pressure will continue to impact the area as it dissipates overhead on Sunday. Uncertainty continues with the specific location and timing of the heaviest rainfall, but global model ensembles are in relatively good agreement regarding the dissipation of the low. However, deterministic model guidance continues to show variability from model to model and run to run. A more eastern track of the low would result in heaviest precipitation to be located mostly east of I-95 while a more western track would expand the area for heavy rainfall along and west of I-95. Either way, unsettled conditions continue throughout the day Sunday with breezy conditions expected. Wind gusts will be highest Sunday morning before gradually dissipating throughout the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I know people have pointed out issues with these gust products, but here are the "peak" panels from various 12Z model runs: https://weather.us/model-charts/standard/maryland/gusts-1h-3h-mph/20230923-1800z.html https://weather.us/model-charts/conus-hd/maryland/gusts-mph/20230923-1800z.html https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/maryland/gusts-3h-mph/20230924-0300z.html https://weather.us/model-charts/gbr/maryland/gusts-1h-3h-mph/20230924-0000z.html https://weather.us/model-charts/can/maryland/gusts-3h-mph/20230923-2100z.html 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, BristowWx said: is 18kt sustained even WA or HHW criteria? I'd guess wind advisory for this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 H/t @MattPetrulli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexD1990 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Record or near-record flooding now forecast along the Delaware Bay: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I nailed the huge shift in the ECMWF yesterday with a lucky bet. I feel lucky again today. I therefore predict the incoming 18z NAM12 will dry somewhat for western areas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Rain starts in DC just 00z SAT on 18z NAM Already over an inch of rain down by CHO by 09z Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 The latest QPF forecast from WPC as it aligns with the MARFC boundary: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deck Pic Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Maybe we should do a contest on rain totals 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, Deck Pic said: Maybe we should do a contest on rain totals Tiebreaker of highest wind gust? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
09-10 analogy Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, alexderiemer said: Record or near-record flooding now forecast along the Delaware Bay: When were those records set? Isabel? Sandy? Or maybe Ash Wednesday if the records go back that far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 18z NAM is also advertising a long time period of 40 to 50 mph wind gusts for a lot of the region... 50+ at times out towards the Bay and over the mountains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillvilleWx Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said: The latest QPF forecast from WPC as it aligns with the MARFC boundary: Awesome to see! National Blend came in much wetter, as expected much of the deterministic suite now favoring more impact further west, but still a sharp cutoff on the western edge towards the Appalachian front. This is well within the means of potential and before any hi-res ensemble data can be integrated to show Convective schema and more detailed max/min variance over the QPF field. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, 09-10 analogy said: When were those records set? Isabel? Sandy? Or maybe Ash Wednesday if the records go back that far? The record at Lewes was set by the January 2016 blizzard, which displaced the previous record from Ash Wednesday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormfly Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, gymengineer said: The record at Lewes was set by the January 2016 blizzard, which displaced the previous record from Ash Wednesday. Lewes in High Wind Warning already! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexD1990 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 When were those records set? Isabel? Sandy? Or maybe Ash Wednesday if the records go back that far?Sandy, Irene, and blizzard of 2016, if I read the info graphic correctly Sent from my SM-F711U using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I could be vain and say I'm batting 1000............. But honesty is one of my highest attributes! I thought the 18z12 NAM would shift east from Richmond toward consensus up the bay and the NHC track. H--- it shifted west to Lynchburg!! But, I believed the 12z to be too juicy....... I dropped from 4.12" to 3.02"............. Winning streak continues! I'll practice some more before the snow flies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Potential Tropical Cyclone Sixteen Discussion Number 2 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL162023 500 PM EDT Thu Sep 21 2023 High-resolution visible satellite imagery and surface synoptic observations indicate that the disturbance has not yet acquired a well-defined center of circulation. There is a distinct comma-shaped curved band of convection over the eastern portion of the system, with moderate southwesterly vertical wind shear over the area. The current intensity is set at 30 kt based on surface observations. Since there is still no distinct center the initial motion, 360/7 kt, is an educated guess. The dynamical model guidance suggests that there may be some center re-formations during the next day or two. However, the system should move generally northward to north-northwestward over the next couple of days while embedded on the eastern side of a deep-layer trough over the eastern United States. The official forecast is close to the previous one and is also close to the corrected dynamical model consensus. Strong vertical wind shear is likely to persist over the system, but the global models show strengthening before landfall. This intensification is probably at least partially due to baroclinic energy sources. In fact the ECMWF forecast suggests that the system will retain at least some frontal cyclone characteristics through landfall. Nonetheless, the system is likely to cause tropical-storm-force winds, locally heavy rainfall, and dangerous storm surges over the warned areas in the southeastern and mid-Atlantic United States. Interests should be aware that hazardous conditions will extend well away from the forecast center locations. Key Messages: 1. An area of low pressure is forecast to strengthen off the southeastern U.S. coast and bring tropical-storm-force winds, storm surge, heavy rain, and high surf to large portions of the southeast and mid-Atlantic United States coast beginning Friday and continuing into the weekend. 2. There is a danger of life-threatening storm surge inundation over portions of eastern North Carolina and southeastern Virginia, including the Pamlico and Albemarle Sounds, and the lower Chesapeake Bay, where Storm Surge Warnings are in place. Residents in these areas should follow advice given by local officials. 3. Tropical storm conditions are expected within portions of the southeast and mid-Atlantic coasts within the Tropical Storm Warning area beginning on Friday and continuing into Saturday. 4. Heavy rainfall from this system could produce localized urban and small stream flooding impacts across the eastern mid-Atlantic states from North Carolina to New Jersey Friday through Sunday. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 21/2100Z 29.2N 75.9W 30 KT 35 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE 12H 22/0600Z 30.8N 75.8W 40 KT 45 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE 24H 22/1800Z 32.6N 76.0W 45 KT 50 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE 36H 23/0600Z 33.8N 76.5W 50 KT 60 MPH 48H 23/1800Z 35.6N 77.0W 50 KT 60 MPH 60H 24/0600Z 37.3N 76.9W 35 KT 40 MPH 72H 24/1800Z 38.7N 76.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROPICAL 96H 25/1800Z 40.0N 74.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROPICAL 120H 26/1800Z...DISSIPATED $$ Forecaster Pasch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 TSWs extended northward into LWX territory BULLETIN Potential Tropical Cyclone Sixteen Advisory Number 2 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL162023 500 PM EDT Thu Sep 21 2023 ...LOW EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN OFF THE SOUTHEAST U.S. COAST AND BRING TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR LIFE-THREATENING STORM SURGE BEGINNING ON FRIDAY... SUMMARY OF 500 PM EDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...29.2N 75.9W ABOUT 345 MI...550 KM SE OF CHARLESTON SOUTH CAROLINA ABOUT 415 MI...670 KM S OF CAPE HATTERAS NORTH CAROLINA MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...N OR 360 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1012 MB...29.89 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY: A Storm Surge Warning is in effect from Duck, North Carolina, to Chincoteague Virginia, including Chesapeake Bay south of Windmill Point, and for the Neuse River, the Pamlico River, and portions of Pamlico Sound. The Tropical Storm Warning has been extended northward in Chesapeake Bay to North Beach, and into the Tidal Potomac to Cobb Island. A Storm Surge Watch has been issued for the Tidal Potomac south of Colonial Beach. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT: A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for... * Duck, North Carolina to Chincoteague Virginia * Chesapeake Bay south of Windmill Point * Neuse River, Pamlico River, and portions of Pamlico Sound A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for... * Cape Fear NC to Fenwick Island DE * Albemarle and Pamlico Sounds * Tidal Potomac south of Cobb Island * Chesapeake Bay south of North Beach A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for... * Surf City NC to Duck NC * Chesapeake Bay north of Windmill Point to Smith Point * Tidal Potomac south of Colonial Beach * Albemarle and the remainder of Pamlico Sound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 So looks like S MD will be put into TSWs ETA - Calvert and St. Mary's under Tropical Storm Warning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, yoda said: So looks like S MD will be put into TSWs ETA - Calvert and St. Mary's under Tropical Storm Warning Makes sense given the fetch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Looks like all Lower Eastern Shore counties have a Tropical Storm Warning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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