September 2023

[WestBabylonWeather]

I think I need to calibrate my new ambient weather station

I’m at 95 right now but surrounding stations say 91ish


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[psv88]

1 minute ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

I think I need to calibrate my new ambient weather station

I’m at 95 right now but surrounding stations say 91ish


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Yea that seems high…ISP and FRG at 90, I’m at 91, so 95 too high 

[WestBabylonWeather]

Of course I get the bad ambient. I need to figure out how to calibrate it


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[forkyfork]

ewr 94 which is 4 degrees ahead of yesterday 

[psv88]

@BucksCO_PA

take a look at the current area temps. All local sites are 90 or above, even on LI. 
 

Central Park is 87, by far the coolest. 
 

do you think that A. The city is a naturally much colder area than the suburbs, or B the sensor is reading too low?

[WestBabylonWeather]

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[doncat]

Just now, WestBabylonWeather said:

Of course I get the bad ambient. I need to figure out how to calibrate it


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Is it always reading high or just when the sun is shining on it?

[WestBabylonWeather]

Is it always reading high or just when the sun is shining on it?

Sometimes I match surrounding stations but yes it is in direct sun.


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[forkyfork]

all the downplaying when i posted ensemble images and now newark could get its latest 100 ever. why should anyone take this place seriously?

[BucksCO_PA]

Just now, forkyfork said:

all the downplaying when i posted ensemble images and now newark could get its latest 100 ever. why should anyone take this place seriously?

kinda like you calling for 7" of rain a few wks ago

[doncat]

Just now, WestBabylonWeather said:

Sometimes I match surrounding stations but yes it is in direct sun.


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Problem with alot of the pws with the sun shining on the shield....aspirated is the way to go but they are expensive. 

[WestBabylonWeather]

Problem with alot of the pws with the sun shining on the shield....aspirated is the way to go but they are expensive. 

Yea messed up not getting aspirated.


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[BucksCO_PA]

6 minutes ago, psv88 said:

@BucksCO_PA

take a look at the current area temps. All local sites are 90 or above, even on LI. 
 

Central Park is 87, by far the coolest. 
 

do you think that A. The city is a naturally much colder area than the suburbs, or B the sensor is reading too low?

average high temp this month at Central Park - 86.2 degrees, average high this month at LGA - 86.2 degrees

[JTA66]

7 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

all the downplaying when i posted ensemble images and now newark could get its latest 100 ever. why should anyone take this place seriously?

But it can't get hot after 8/1 because of the lowering sun angle 

[mgerb]

3 minutes ago, doncat said:

Problem with alot of the pws with the sun shining on the shield....aspirated is the way to go but they are expensive. 

I have a Davis Vantage Vue that reads high too when in full sun. Non aspirated, and well over 10 years old, so that may be part of the issue, but has read high for as long as I remember. 

But regarding aspiration, not a single temp/rh sensor (66 in total) operated by the NJWxNet is aspirated, but they don't have that problem. Aspiration is good, but not essential; perhaps has more to do with sensor design or just a biased sensor. 

[forkyfork]

9 minutes ago, BucksCO_PA said:

kinda like you calling for 7" of rain a few wks ago

i'm sorry you're upset that these heat waves keep happening 

[psv88]

8 minutes ago, BucksCO_PA said:

average high temp this month at Central Park - 86.2 degrees, average high this month at LGA - 86.2 degrees

What’s your point? We’ve had a north wind off the sound most of the month, keeping LGA cool. 
 

is the park on the water too?

[forkyfork]

1 minute ago, psv88 said:

What’s your point? We’ve had a north wind off the sound most of the month, keeping LGA cool. 
 

is the park on the water too?

the temperature just doesn't exist in the middle of queens 

[doncat]

13 minutes ago, mgerb said:

I have a Davis Vantage Vue that reads high too when in full sun. Non aspirated, and well over 10 years old, so that may be part of the issue, but has read high for as long as I remember. 

But regarding aspiration, not a single temp/rh sensor (66 in total) operated by the NJWxNet is aspirated, but they don't have that problem. Aspiration is good, but not essential; perhaps has more to do with sensor design or just a biased sensor. 

What type of equipment do they use at those njwxnet stations if you're familiar?  I assume it's just observers with their own pws.

[psv88]

LGA this week has been cooler than JFK with high temps…wind direction from the north. 
 

Today should change that 

[forkyfork]

ewr 97 before noon lol

[Dark Star]

44 minutes ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Of course I get the bad ambient. I need to figure out how to calibrate it


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Do they sell thermometers that can be calibrated?  I know where I work we compare a thermometer for regulatory purposes, we compare the readings to a NIST thermometer and deduct or add the difference.

[winterwx21]

43 minutes ago, BucksCO_PA said:

kinda like you calling for 7" of rain a few wks ago

And most of the long range heat didn't materialize this summer. The 1 heat wave we had in July underperformed. Funny that he's bragging about 1 heat event finally working out this summer. 

[bluewave]

2 hours ago, uofmiami said:

It'd be great if we had real time to compare but it'll never happen unfortunately.  Have to go on former location data to current location data.

We can use the 90°day data from 1970 to 1983 when the Central Park thermometer wasn’t under the trees.The comparison is to the much warmer present era from 2010-2023 with tree growth impeding accurate observations. There is no reason other than tree growth for NYC to have the number of 90° days reamain at 19 with how much the climate has warmed since then. Both LGA and EWR show a significant increase in 90° days as the climate has warmed. The Hudson Valley shows the same trend as LGA and EWR. POU has nearly doubled its number of 90° days. Again, there is no reason for POU to have more 90° days now than NYC. So using a proportional 90° day increase similar to  EWR, they would most likely have an around 30 days a year reaching 90° instead of 19 if the site was properly maintained. This would mean the Great Lawn probably sees that # of 90° days since it isn’t in the shade. But an increase similar to LGA and POU would place that number even higher.

 

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	2	8	6	2	0	19
1983	0	0	6	14	9	7	0	36
1982	0	0	0	11	0	0	0	11
1981	0	0	2	10	4	0	0	16
1980	0	2	1	11	15	3	0	32
1979	0	2	0	7	8	1	0	18
1978	0	1	2	3	5	0	0	11
1977	1	2	0	11	7	2	0	23
1976	3	0	6	2	4	0	0	15
1975	0	1	1	2	4	0	0	8
1974	0	1	1	10	5	0	0	17
1973	0	0	4	4	6	4	0	18
1972	0	0	0	11	3	1	0	15
1971	0	0	5	6	5	2	0	18
1970	0	2	1	4	8	7	0	22

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	3	9	5	2	0	19
2023	2	0	1	5	0	2	M	10
2022	0	2	1	10	11	1	0	25
2021	0	0	8	4	5	0	0	17
2020	0	0	2	14	4	0	0	20
2019	0	0	1	10	3	0	1	15
2018	0	2	3	6	7	3	0	21
2017	0	3	3	5	1	1	0	13
2016	0	2	0	10	7	3	0	22
2015	0	0	1	5	8	6	0	20
2014	0	0	0	3	3	2	0	8
2013	0	2	3	10	1	1	0	17
2012	0	0	5	10	3	1	0	19
2011	0	0	3	14	3	0	0	20
2010	1	1	4	16	12	3	0	37

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NY
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	2	6	4	2	0	14
1983	0	0	5	11	8	7	0	31
1982	0	0	0	6	0	0	0	6
1981	0	0	2	11	2	0	0	15
1980	0	0	3	8	9	2	0	22
1979	0	2	0	7	7	0	0	16
1978	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	4
1977	0	1	0	9	3	1	0	14
1976	1	0	5	1	3	0	0	10
1975	0	1	1	2	3	0	0	7
1974	0	1	1	9	2	0	0	13
1973	0	0	3	3	7	4	0	17
1972	0	0	0	3	0	1	0	4
1971	0	0	3	3	2	1	0	9
1970	0	2	1	5	9	5	0	22

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NY
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	4	12	7	2	0	26
2023	0	0	1	10	0	3	M	14
2022	0	3	3	11	13	0	0	30
2021	0	0	9	8	8	0	0	25
2020	0	0	5	19	10	0	0	34
2019	0	0	4	14	5	2	1	26
2018	0	4	4	10	16	4	0	38
2017	0	3	3	8	2	1	0	17
2016	0	3	1	15	10	3	0	32
2015	0	0	3	6	8	3	0	20
2014	0	0	0	3	1	2	0	6
2013	0	2	2	15	1	1	0	21
2012	0	2	6	14	6	0	0	28
2011	0	0	3	14	2	0	0	19
2010	1	2	12	18	11	4	0	48

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	3	9	6	2	0	22
1983	0	0	7	15	11	7	0	40
1982	0	0	1	10	1	0	0	12
1981	0	1	4	12	3	1	0	21
1980	0	1	3	8	12	3	0	27
1979	0	2	1	8	9	0	0	20
1978	0	1	3	8	4	0	0	16
1977	1	3	1	14	6	1	0	26
1976	2	0	7	2	4	0	0	15
1975	0	1	3	3	5	0	0	12
1974	1	2	2	10	3	0	0	18
1973	0	0	5	9	12	5	0	31
1972	0	0	0	16	4	1	0	21
1971	0	0	6	7	7	2	0	22
1970	0	2	2	5	8	5	0	22

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	2	5	15	8	3	0	33
2023	2	1	1	14	5	4	M	27
2022	0	4	6	20	18	1	0	49
2021	0	4	12	11	13	1	0	41
2020	0	0	5	17	9	0	0	31
2019	0	1	4	14	4	3	1	27
2018	0	4	5	9	14	4	0	36
2017	0	3	5	9	2	3	0	22
2016	0	3	3	16	13	5	0	40
2015	0	2	4	11	13	5	0	35
2014	0	0	2	8	2	3	0	15
2013	0	2	4	15	3	1	0	25
2012	0	2	6	16	7	2	0	33
2011	0	1	4	22	4	0	0	31
2010	1	2	13	21	11	6	0	54

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for Poughkeepsie Area, NY (ThreadEx)
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	1	6	3	1	0	12
1983	0	0	4	11	7	6	0	28
1982	0	0	0	10	0	0	0	10
1981	0	1	1	5	1	0	0	8
1980	0	0	3	6	6	3	0	18
1979	0	2	0	4	5	0	0	11
1978	0	0	1	4	3	0	0	8
1977	0	2	0	12	3	1	0	18
1976	3	0	1	0	0	0	0	4
1975	0	3	3	2	3	0	0	11
1974	0	0	1	5	0	0	0	6
1973	0	0	3	4	8	4	0	19
1972	0	0	0	10	2	0	0	12
1971	0	0	2	3	1	1	0	7
1970	0	0	0	5	7	1	0	13

 

Monthly Number of Days Max Temperature >= 90 for Poughkeepsie Area, NY (ThreadEx)
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Year	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Season
Mean	0	1	3	10	5	2	0	21
2023	2	0	2	7	0	1	M	12
2022	0	3	1	13	16	1	0	34
2021	0	1	9	4	6	0	0	20
2020	0	0	4	17	10	0	0	31
2019	0	0	1	12	2	1	0	16
2018	0	1	3	8	4	4	0	20
2017	0	2	4	3	1	2	0	12
2016	0	4	3	16	6	2	0	31
2015	0	0	0	5	10	6	0	21
2014	0	0	1	4	1	2	0	8
2013	0	3	4	11	0	1	0	19
2012	1	2	5	11	3	0	0	22
2011	0	0	3	10	2	0	0	15
2010	1	2	4	16	5	2	0	30

[uofmiami]

12 minutes ago, Dark Star said:

Do they sell thermometers that can be calibrated?  I know where I work we compare a thermometer for regulatory purposes, we compare the readings to a NIST thermometer and deduct or add the difference.

Davis sells NIST equipment.  Not sure if Ambient does.

https://www.davisinstruments.com/pages/nist-traceable-sensors

[mgerb]

38 minutes ago, doncat said:

What type of equipment do they use at those njwxnet stations if you're familiar?  I assume it's just observers with their own pws.

Yup, I'm familiar. I work in the state climate office and sometimes help service the stations. It's mostly a mix of Campbell Scientific EE181 and HC2S3 (more of the former). Then there are 14 stations that use Peet Bros equipment, which is more akin to backyard-type weather stations. With one exception (Harrison) and aside from the Peet Bros stations, we don't pull in any PWS data. We also bring in other professional networks, such as ASOS, AWOS, RAWS, some USGS, and a few others. 

If you go to any station page (e.g., Little Falls here), near the bottom of the page you can see photos of the site and a list of installed equipment. 

[psv88]

Pretty sure i calibrated my Davis vantage vue when I first got it. 
 

heat index of 99 at both FRG and ISP. 
“it’s a dry heat”

[Brian5671]

1 hour ago, forkyfork said:

all the downplaying when i posted ensemble images and now newark could get its latest 100 ever. why should anyone take this place seriously?

you've been posting LR maps all summer showing big heat...for once they were right.   Congrats.

[LoboLeader1]

93F here currently.

[Cfa]

It was 90 yesterday at this time and today is beating that by multiple degrees, with clouds. Upper 90’s pretty much guaranteed I think.