WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 The area of disturbed weather that we've tracked for a while from a tropical wave has been designated Invest 91L. I did a little deep dive before the designation. Sorry for cross posting so much. Gulf Disturbance I tagged yesterday's disturbance with 60% odds of eventual development when it was moving through the Bahamas and Florida, and now that it has reached the eastern Gulf I am even more bullish given today's satellite appearance. To be clear: this one needs some work and there's not a lot of time to do it. That said, the quick convective burst and indications that it's trying to form into a low makes it worth an invest tag to me. The environment overall looks favorable. There is very little shear present and that should remain the case as this moves west. Once again, we obviously know that the SSTs are not an issue, with literally some of the warmest water on Earth in the Gulf and a deep reservoir of OHC. Moisture looks solid not great, but given where the vorticity is trying to tighten and the convective bursts we're seeing, I don't think drier continental air is a limiting factor yet. We'll see. I think time is the greatest limiting factor here, but kind of like Hanna a few years ago, if this can get a good organizational burst today/tonight that could bode well for another named storm to develop as this enters the western Gulf and the TX/Mexico border early Tuesday. Again, not a lot of time, and nothing can happen until there's a legitimate low, which we do not have yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 GFS keeps Houston completely dry, so I'm less weenied than I would otherwise be for a invest in the Gulf. But the initial deep steering model looks like what 91L becomes goes for almost a complete ride around the death ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Sleeper system potentially considering its current organizational trend. Like the idea of a strong TS landfall out of this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 Looks like it is sharpening nicely so far today. Dev odds should come up at 2pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 Western Gulf of Mexico (AL91): Showers and thunderstorms have increased this afternoon in association with an area of disturbed weather located in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Additional development of this system is possible as it moves westward at about 15 to 20 mph, and a tropical depression could form as it approaches the western Gulf of Mexico coastline by Tuesday. * Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...medium...60 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I see no modeling that gets 91L above a TS, but my mind wouldn't be blown if it makes it to a 65 knot hurricane. Vis shows good outflow in all quads but the S. Not Weenie-casting, if I were it'd be headed for my house with 3 or 6 inches of drought busting rain (if just a Cat 1), or a major S of Port Lavaca with Reed Timmer and Josh Morgerman chasing it. With at least outer bands raining on my yard. None of that will happen with 91L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ed, snow and hurricane fan said: I see no modeling that gets 91L above a TS, but my mind wouldn't be blown if it makes it to a 65 knot hurricane. Vis shows good outflow in all quads but the S. Not Weenie-casting, if I were it'd be headed for my house with 3 or 6 inches of drought busting rain (if just a Cat 1), or a major S of Port Lavaca with Reed Timmer and Josh Morgerman chasing it. With at least outer bands raining on my yard. None of that will happen with 91L. You all need the rain. It has been a brutal summer there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stx_Thunder Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 WPC Excessive Rainfall risk upgraded for Day 3 outlook over Lower TX coast today: https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/excessive_rainfall_outlook_ero.php * WPC currently going 3 - 5 in. (isolated 7 in. totals) in slight risk area if Invest 91L becomes a TC before landfall, in ERO discussion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 800 PM EDT Sun Aug 20 2023 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: Active Systems: The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical Depression Six, located several hundred miles east of the northern Leeward Islands, on Tropical Storm Emily, located about 1000 miles west-northwest of the Cabo Verde Islands, and on newly formed Tropical Storm Franklin, located over the eastern Caribbean Sea. 1. Western Gulf of Mexico (AL91): Showers and thunderstorms have increased this evening, and are becoming better organized in association with a trough of low pressure located in the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Environmental conditions appear favorable for development of this system as it moves westward at about 15 to 20 mph across the central Gulf of Mexico. A tropical depression or storm is likely to form as it approaches the western Gulf of Mexico coastline by Tuesday. Interests in the western Gulf of Mexico should monitor the progress of this system. Tropical storm watches or warnings may be necessary on Monday for portions of the southern Texas and northern Mexico coastlines. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...high...70 percent. 2. Eastern Tropical Atlantic: A large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms over the far eastern tropical Atlantic is associated with a tropical wave located near the Cabo Verde Islands. Environmental conditions appear conducive for gradual development of this system, and a tropical depression is likely to form later this week while it moves west-northwestward across the eastern tropical Atlantic. * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...30 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...high...70 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 My gut tells me this could be a hurricane. I had a similar vibe from both Erika 2003 and Hanna 2020, and both became Category 1 hurricanes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 It’s gradually getting its act together, still. I’m thinking PTC at 11am because this is still a little broad. Would need to organize a little faster though imo to have a reasonable shot to maximize potential. First viz will be telling. Western Gulf of Mexico (AL91): Showers and thunderstorms are showing signs of organization in association with a broad area of low pressure located over the central Gulf of Mexico. Environmental conditions appear conducive for development of this system, and a tropical depression or tropical storm is likely to form before it reaches the western Gulf of Mexico coastline on Tuesday. Interests in southern Texas and northern Mexico should monitor the progress of this system as tropical storm watches or warnings are likely to be issued later today. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...high...80 percent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 Really want to see what recon finds during the early afternoon, but this looks to be organizing at a solid pace currently. Not sure I see any westerlies yet, but with convection trying to fire near the MLC if this does get a robust LLC it could pick up the organizational pace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 Yep, PTC 9 coming at 11am. Expecting to see watches/warnings up for the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Looking closed on visible now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 12z GFS with its strongest run yet. All systems go as soon as this closes off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I think a 50-60kt landfall is what I’d be expecting at this time based off current trends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I think a 50-60kt landfall is what I’d be expecting at this time based off current trends It's got perhaps 30 hrs left before landfall? If it can get a core established, it has a shot at minimal cane. That obviously would require a pretty impressive period of RI. But with the favorable upper environment and SSTs being so high, I'd say chances of RI are decent if that core can get established by this evening. Even if that doesn't occur, it should still be an intensifying TS into landfall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Smol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Looks like a well defined LLC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 Recon en route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 Not a bad look, but again, needs an inner core to overachieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lantanatx Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 As someone sitting about 5 miles inland on Baffin Bay - what do you think this will do? Any new thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, lantanatx said: As someone sitting about 5 miles inland on Baffin Bay - what do you think this will do? Any new thoughts? Everything kind of seems on track. It has organized enough to make achieving TS status more likely than not, but we haven’t seen the kind of developing inner core to suggest this significantly overperforms. That said, this is when the models suggested a little take off would occur, so I’ll be watching radar and IR to see how quickly things are moving in terms of spiral banding and a tight LLC. Interestingly, 18z SHIPS increased odds for modest RI. Not seeing any evidence of that right now. The fast movement should make this a quick hitter with beneficial rain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 Nice convective bursts happening near the apparent center, but it's hard for me to tell since we're outside of radar range and don't have visible whether this is actually organizing a core. Microwave may be a bit dated so I didn't include. Looking forward to recon later. The convective bursts may be enough to get this named at 35kts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 Tropical Depression Nine Discussion Number 3 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092023 1000 PM CDT Mon Aug 21 2023 Satellite imagery indicates that the depression is becoming better organized. Deep convection has been increasing near the mid-level center, with the apparent low-level center displaced on the south side of the convective mass. The latest satellite classifications still support an intensity of 30 kt, and an Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter is scheduled to be in the area overnight for a more detailed look at the wind field. The depression is moving fairly quickly to the west-northwest at 16 kt on the south side of a strong mid-level ridge located over the central United States. This general motion should continue through landfall tomorrow by midday. The guidance has shifted a bit to the north on this cycle, and the NHC forecast follows the recent trends. The system should strengthen soonb through landfall over the warm Gulf waters, though its time is limited. It should be noted that the cyclone moves inland between the 12- and 24-hour points so it is possible that the system gets a little stronger than the forecast intensity values below. No noteworthy changes were required to the last NHC wind speed forecast. KEY MESSAGES: 1. Heavy rainfall from Tropical Depression Nine is expected across South Texas through early Wednesday, and may produce areas of flash and urban flooding. Across portions of northern Coahuila and northern Nuevo Leon in Mexico, flash flooding with possible landslides in mountainous terrain is expected Tuesday through Wednesday. 2. Coastal flooding is possible along the south Texas coast tonight through Tuesday evening. 3. Tropical storm conditions are expected in the warning area and are possible in the watch area beginning early Tuesday. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 22/0300Z 25.7N 93.3W 30 KT 35 MPH 12H 22/1200Z 26.3N 96.0W 40 KT 45 MPH 24H 23/0000Z 27.3N 99.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND 36H 23/1200Z 29.0N 103.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW 48H 24/0000Z...DISSIPATED $$ Forecaster Blake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 Recon in the air now. If I’m awake I’ll post what they find. Good time to head in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 It’s much better convectively organized on satellite, but that west side still looks odd to me. Recon is starting to sample so we’ll see soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 Rain contaminated higher gusts but there are some FL and SFMR obs that look clean enough at minimal TS strength IMO. Still a lot more to sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 LLC is displaced SW of the convective bursts. Lowest extrapolated pressure so far 1004.4mb at ~2,500ft. We’ll see if the first pass is enough for the NHC to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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