GaWx Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, olafminesaw said: Weenie alert issued for New England. Preposterous GFS runs possibly posted on Twitter over the coming days. And at most wx forums, too. At this early stage, NE, especially SE MA/ME, is at some risk from this next week especially from the outer fringes per the 12Z ensembles. At higher risk in addition to the Caribbean are SE Canada, Bermuda, and the Bahamas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 DT's (WxRisk) take on Franklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemacdonald23 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rtd208 said: DT's (WxRisk) take on Franklin. I guess Fork is out for anything up here in Nova Scotia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, shanemacdonald23 said: I guess Fork is out for anything up here in Nova Scotia I would definitely watch up there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 This is pretty neat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, hlcater said: This is pretty neat Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, hlcater said: This is pretty neat Wasn't this seen with the (unexpectedly disrupted, I was sure it was going full Wilma) bomb-out of Hurricane Delta in 2020? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, CheeselandSkies said: Wasn't this seen with the (unexpectedly disrupted, I was sure it was going full Wilma) bomb-out of Hurricane Delta in 2020? Maybe, but you also need just a little bit of shear and disorganization to get a singular updraft to be sufficiently strong to do that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Franklin’s circulation seems extremely elongated on visible imagery this morning. I wonder if we’ll get recon today to examine the structure. Definitely getting blasted by shear but man this storm has some impressive convective bursts continuing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Recon descending into Franklin now. Should be a helpful mission for understanding structure and getting data into the guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Recon descending into Franklin now. Should be a helpful mission for understanding structure and getting data into the guidance. As expected the circulation appears extremely elongated. It’s possible it may have opened up. Let’s see if they find a consolidated center this pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I'm surprised no one talking about Franklin. A lot of 12z GFS ensembles have it close to hitting the coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Franklin VDM Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)Transmitted: 21st day of the month at 18:38ZAgency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N43RF)Storm Name: FranklinStorm Number & Year: 08 in 2023 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)Mission Number: 2Observation Number: 03 ( See all messages of this type for this mission. )A. Time of Center Fix: 21st day of the month at 18:14:48ZB. Center Fix Coordinates: 14.28N 69.88WB. Center Fix Location: 291 statute miles (468 km) to the S (179°) from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 1,454m (4,770ft) at 850mbD. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1004mb (29.65 inHg)E. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center: From 110° at 18kts (From the ESE at 21mph)F. Eye Character: Not AvailableG. Eye Shape: Not AvailableH. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: Not AvailableI. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound (Undecoded): NAJ. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 73° at 46kts (From the ENE at 52.9mph)K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 49 nautical miles (56 statute miles) to the N (351°) of center fix at 17:59:04ZL. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: Not AvailableM. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound (Undecoded): NAN. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 43° at 48kts (From the NE at 55.2mph)O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 9 nautical miles to the NW (320°) of center fix at 18:17:13ZP. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 24°C (75°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,523m (4,997ft)Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 20°C (68°F) at a pressure alt. of 1,530m (5,020ft)R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 12°C (54°F)R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not AvailableS. Fix Determined By: Penetration and PressureS. Fix Level: 850mbT. Navigational Fix Accuracy: 0.01 nautical milesT. Meteorological Accuracy: 5 nautical milesRemarks Section: Maximum Flight Level Wind: 48kts (~ 55.2mph) which was observed 9 nautical miles to the NW (320°) from the flight level center at 18:17:13ZMaximum Flight Level Temp: 25°C (77°F) which was observed 32 nautical miles (37 statute miles) to the NNW (337°) from the flight level center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: I'm surprised no one talking about Franklin. A lot of 12z GFS ensembles have it close to hitting the coast. It still looks really unlikely for the US. I think there's a legitimate threat for Atlantic Canada though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Protection Program Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 21 hours ago, Windspeed said: 21 hours ago, Witness Protection Program said: Dang, how long has it been Franklin? I assume a lot of lighting involved? The key for me is keeping this turkey away from Houston. Just became Franklin, and you must be confusing this system (topic) with the Gulf of Mexico system. Franklin will not be a threat to the Gulf but could pose some interaction with the Mid-Atlantic to New England depending on how modeling evolves and trough vs western Atlantic ridging interaction. Thanks. But... ...the Little Orphan Annie secret society decoder pin says: "Dang, how long has it been Franklin? I assume a lot of lighting involved? The key for me is keeping this turkey away from Houston." Should have added kite flying and Punnsylvania references. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 3 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said: It still looks really unlikely for the US. I think there's a legitimate threat for Atlantic Canada though. Yeah, I see on the ensemble mean a +PNA trough captures it. Pattern seems to be supported by the Pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Tropical Storm Franklin Discussion Number 5 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082023 500 PM EDT Mon Aug 21 2023 Franklin is not an especially well-organized tropical cyclone this afternoon. The NOAA reconnaissance mission has been sampling the storm for a large part of the afternoon, and found a center to the south of where the position was estimated earlier today. In addition, the winds on the southwest side of the circulation are more diffuse, and overall the circulation is a bit more elongated than what the plane found yesterday at this time. Peak 850-mb flight level winds were at 48 kt just to the northwest of the circulation, which supports an intensity between 40-45 kt after using a standard reduction. The initial intensity will remain at 45 kt for this advisory, which is also in between the higher TAFB and lower SAB intensity estimates. The tropical storm has been meandering today, and my best guess at an initial motion is a drift south of due west at 265/4 kt. Given the current elongated nature of the surface circulation, the short- term track forecast is tricky, ranging from the GFS on the east side of the guidance envelope that has a center reformation to the northeast, and the CMC and ECMWF which are on the western side of the guidance envelope. The steering currents are also poorly defined currently due to a large mid-oceanic trough in the western Atlantic disrupting the flow pattern. Mid-level ridging eventually builds in to the east of Franklin, which should ultimately induce a northward motion by 24-36 h, and then northeastward between 48-96 h, as a mid-latitude trough reinforces the weakness to the north of the storm. The track guidance has slowed down again compared to the previous cycle, prolonging the time the system will remain over the Caribbean Sea before it moves over Hispaniola. The NHC track forecast is once again slower than the previous cycle and has also been nudged a touch westward compared to the previous one, but is now a bit east of the simple and corrected consensus aids. Given Franklin's current structure, I am somewhat skeptical there will be a lot of meaningful near-term intensification, especially while moderate vertical wind shear continues to disrupt the convective structure. However, both the GFS- and ECMWF-based SHIPS guidance indicate that the shear will briefly drop under 10 kt in about 24 hours, and when combined with warm 29 C sea-surface temperatures, it still seems prudent to show some intensification before Franklin moves inland over Hispaniola. Significant land interaction over the higher terrain will then lead to weakening, which could be underdone here given the current track over some of the most mountainous terrain. After Franklin emerges into the western Atlantic, another round of southwesterly shear may slow the rate of reintensification, and the latest NHC intensity forecast is a bit more subdued than the previous one, once again electing to follow the HCCA consensus aid. Given the complex intensity factors mentioned above, this is a low confidence forecast. KEY MESSAGES: 1. Heavy rainfall from Franklin is expected across portions of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola through the middle of the week. The heavy rainfall may produce areas of flash and urban flooding as well as river rises and mudslides. Across Hispaniola, significant and potentially life-threatening flash flooding is possible Tuesday into Wednesday. 2. Franklin is expected to bring tropical storm conditions to portions of the Dominican Republic and Haiti beginning on Tuesday where Tropical Storm Warnings are in effect. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 21/2100Z 14.3N 70.1W 45 KT 50 MPH 12H 22/0600Z 14.3N 70.9W 45 KT 50 MPH 24H 22/1800Z 15.3N 71.3W 50 KT 60 MPH 36H 23/0600Z 17.2N 71.2W 55 KT 65 MPH 48H 23/1800Z 19.1N 70.8W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND 60H 24/0600Z 20.6N 70.3W 45 KT 50 MPH...OVER WATER 72H 24/1800Z 22.2N 68.7W 50 KT 60 MPH 96H 25/1800Z 23.6N 66.0W 60 KT 70 MPH 120H 26/1800Z 25.6N 65.5W 70 KT 80 MPH $$ Forecaster Papin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Franklin now stationary per recon. We saw really significant degradation of the system today and it’ll be interesting to see if this has an impact on making it too shallow for the first trough/weakness to significantly influence the early post DR/Haiti track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 I’m not certain a center reforms. A new burst has occurred where recon currently fixed it (SE of the previous location). Track implications are certain with this wild motion. Interesting to watch unfold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal front Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Man Franklin has had some of the most intense convective bursts I’ve ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemacdonald23 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Ill be keeping a eye out up here in Cape Breton we got hit with Fiona biggest storm and scariest storm i ever witnessed almost died 3 times out storm chasing with a few of my weather buddies . thank god we got home sadly my buddies house had his roof blown off . this one dont look to strong as of now might miss us by mere few km be interesting to see how this unfolds . cheers folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Looking more likely this won't affect anyone after passing DR. Unfavorable steering patterns for US impacts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Franklin may have opened up into a trough overnight. Really hard to find any westerly wind component on visible this morning and the convection is extremely ragged 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 5 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: Looking more likely this won't affect anyone after passing DR. Unfavorable steering patterns for US impacts Agree but I would still keep an eye on it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said: Franklin may have opened up into a trough overnight. Really hard to find any westerly wind component on visible this morning and the convection is extremely ragged Kudos to the euro that basically had this forecasted a few days ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Mailman Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 My buddy is down in Aruba on vacation and stuck inside all day from Franklin's rains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 I wouldn’t be posting this much if I weren’t home sick Tropical Storm Franklin Discussion Number 8 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082023 1100 AM EDT Tue Aug 22 2023 It is unclear this morning if Franklin still has a well-defined center of circulation. Visible satellite images suggest that broad low-level turning is occurring well to the west of the bulk of Franklin's deep convection, and there is no clear evidence that a center exists near, or that a new center if re-forming beneath, the convection. It appears that scatterometer will miss Franklin and be of no help in assessing the wind field, but a NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate the system later this afternoon. For now, the initial intensity is held at 45 kt, which is right in the middle of the various subjective and objective satellite estimates. If Franklin does still have a center, it is assumed to have jumped or re-formed a bit to the west where there is new convection. This position gives the storm an overall motion over the past 12 hours toward the northwest (325 degrees) at 6 kt. Franklin is positioned within the southern extent of a large mid-level trough, which includes a mid-/upper-level low centered south of Bermuda. While the steering flow is weak, this should cause Franklin to move slowly northward and then northeastward for the next 4 days or so. By day 5, a new shortwave trough is likely to develop over New England, with ridging strengthening over the central Atlantic, and Franklin is forecast to turn back toward the north at that time. Largely because of the adjustment in the initial position, all of the track guidance has shifted westward on this cycle. The NHC track forecast has also been moved westward, although it is on the eastern side of the guidance envelope and fairly close to the typically-reliable HCCA consensus aid. That said, there is greater-than-usual uncertainty in Franklin's forecast track given potential re-formations of the center. Moderate-to-strong westerly shear is expected to continue over Franklin for the next 4 days or so. In addition, the system is forecast to move over the rugged terrain of Hispaniola within the next 24-36 hours. As a result, little change in strength is anticipated before Franklin reaches Hispaniola, and some weakening is likely while it is crossing the island. Some intensification is then noted in the 3-5 day period when environmental conditions begin to become a little more conducive for strengthening. The NHC intensity forecast is near the HCCA and IVCN consensus aids for much of the 5-day forecast period. KEY MESSAGES: 1. Heavy rainfall from Franklin is expected across portions of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola into Thursday. The heavy rainfall may produce areas of flash and urban flooding as well as river rises and mudslides. Across Hispaniola, significant and potentially life-threatening flash flooding is possible Tuesday into Wednesday. 2. Franklin is expected to bring tropical storm conditions to portions of the Dominican Republic and Haiti, where Tropical Storm Warnings are in effect, beginning later today and continuing through Wednesday. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 22/1500Z 15.5N 71.1W 45 KT 50 MPH 12H 23/0000Z 16.5N 71.3W 50 KT 60 MPH 24H 23/1200Z 18.3N 70.9W 45 KT 50 MPH...S COAST OF DOM REPUB 36H 24/0000Z 20.4N 70.2W 40 KT 45 MPH...OVER WATER 48H 24/1200Z 22.1N 69.3W 40 KT 45 MPH 60H 25/0000Z 22.9N 68.2W 45 KT 50 MPH 72H 25/1200Z 23.3N 67.1W 50 KT 60 MPH 96H 26/1200Z 24.2N 66.3W 60 KT 70 MPH 120H 27/1200Z 27.1N 67.1W 70 KT 80 MPH $$ Forecaster Berg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Significant shift east on the guidance so far today away from direct Atlantic Canada impacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Significant shift east on the guidance so far today away from direct Atlantic Canada impacts. All 12z models have the center under the deep convection.. New center might be well west of that if so models are off.. recon on the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, ineedsnow said: All 12z models have the center under the deep convection.. New center might be well west of that if so models are off.. recon on the way Steering pattern just doesn’t look conducive for a strike after DR/Haiti and maybe Bermuda. Just discussing though—I still believe we need to get this out of the Caribbean to see what eventual long term track looks like as it moves north. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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