tiger_deF Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Figured I'd make a thread for this disturbance. 90L has come on the scene rather quickly - As a disturbance from the western edge of the monsoon trough, models only started picking up on potential development of this system a few days ago. 90L has appeared to be steadily organizing over the past day, with popcorning CBs and early indications of banding patterns. Model-wise, a powerful trough is expected to pick up the developing system through Hispaniola and potentially posing a threat to Bermuda down the line. However, as indicated by the GEFS spaghetti plot, there are lots of options still on the table, and a great deal of uncertainty as to the future track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Near the Windward Islands (AL90): A broad area of low pressure has formed near the Windward Islands, shower and thunderstorm activity has become better organized since yesterday. Some additional development of this system is likely and a tropical depression could form by early next week while this system moves westward to west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph, across the Lesser Antilles and over the eastern and central Caribbean Sea. Regardless of development, heavy rainfall is possible over portions of the Windward Islands during the next couple of days. Interests in the eastern and central Caribbean should monitor the progress of this system. * Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...40 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...medium...60 percent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, tiger_deF said: Figured I'd make a thread for this disturbance. 90L has come on the scene rather quickly - As a disturbance from the western edge of the monsoon trough, models only started picking up on potential development of this system a few days ago. 90L has appeared to be steadily organizing over the past day, with popcorning CBs and early indications of banding patterns. Model-wise, a powerful trough is expected to pick up the developing system through Hispaniola and potentially posing a threat to Bermuda down the line. However, as indicated by the GEFS spaghetti plot, there are lots of options still on the table, and a great deal of uncertainty as to the future track. Keep us updated. Good work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just a super early nonsensical thought: even though we’re almost certainly going to see troughing, I think we’ll need to see how this looks after crossing the Antilles into the Atlantic to have a good sense of if it gets picked up and swept out to sea or left behind. Given the anomalous troughing out east this year, and the parade of waves (which I think increases odds this never touches land after the Antilles) I think this will be complicated for a while. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I see no reason why this can’t continue organizing in the near term. I mentioned the other day that the environment was conducive for intense convective activity and we’re seeing it so far. That’ll probably help in the next few days. The environment has a decreasing influence of SAL and if anything I think the shear just to the north is looking like the detrimental factor to significant development in the Caribbean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 The morning visible loop shows that 90L has developed a closed circulation. There is some shear, so convection is trying to hold onto the east side of the center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: The morning visible loop shows that 90L has developed a closed circulation. There is some shear, so convection is trying to hold onto the east side of the center. Yeah, it looks like it's close if not already a TC. We'll see what recon finds later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Yeah, it looks like it's close if not already a TC. We'll see what recon finds later. JB is not giving up. He doesnt mention hazel but it formed in the same place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Did a deep dive on the Gulf and 90L in the MA subforum thread, but reposting the 90L portion here: Invest 90L This one is worth watching IMO. I think it is a contender to be the strongest system of the season thus far in the long range. Recon is expected to sample this later today and I believe they will find a tropical storm. In the visible you can clearly see a low level circulation, but there are some significant issues keeping this from taking off. There is very evident northerly shear that is pushing the convective burst that should be over the center further south. That's how we can see that there is a clear LLC In addition to the shear, there is dry air to the north that is causing issues as well. I don't expect dry air to be as big an issue long term, but for now the shear/dry air combo is keeping this one in check. This would be taking off IMO without the combination, because the convective bursts that we have seen have been persistent and intense--really allowing this to be as organized (and it's not terribly organized) as it is now. I'm intrigued by the long range because it looks like the environment after a potential landfall near DR/Haiti will be conducive for additional development. In fact, both the GFS and Euro operational guidance has this becoming a strong system in the open Atlantic. I still think we need to wait for this to cross the Antilles back into the Atlantic before fully understanding the long term future of 90L, but overall, troughing is going to lift this north into the Atlantic. How far west this gets before that turn seems important, and certainly what other impulses in the Atlantic exist ahead of 90L, because both the Euro and GFS have a ridge over the CONUS and have trended toward a subtropical ridge building in to drive what is likely a named storm by then northward. Throw in any kind of trough in there to either cause a weakness between the ridges to go OTS, or in the case of a cutoff in the east change steering toward land, and we have a very complex forecast. Given the complexity of the forecast long range, and the shift west we've seen in ensemble guidance as 90L continues to develop, this one is certainly worth a close eye in Bermuda, Atlantic Canada, and to a lesser extent the US east coast. A lot of tracking to do this week. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 It looks like shear and mid-level humidity don't look terrible, but there seems to be an almost exposed center, although latest images thunderstorms are trying to build North. May be partially exposed, but that looks like a closed tropical low to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Most of the GFS ensembles curve this N into the Atlantic, but there are some weaker ensembles that get it into the W Caribbean. Not an obvious Gulf threat, the death ridge should keep anything moving W, but still interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Should be a depression soon given well defined LLC & convection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I fully expect recon to find a TS here. Recon descending into the invest now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Whew, this latest set of obs from recon is interesting. We'll see if it's enough for the NHC. 1000.4mb (extrapolated at ~1,300ft) with a pretty sharp wind shift. Peak FL wind obs between 45-50kt with peak SFMR obs between 45-56kts, none rain contaminated. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 We'll have to wait and see what recon finds for wind direction in the other quadrants, but it seems likely we'll have TS Franklin at 5pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Whew, this latest set of obs from recon is interesting. We'll see if it's enough for the NHC. 1000.4mb (extrapolated at ~1,300ft) with a pretty sharp wind shift. Peak FL wind obs between 45-50kt with peak SFMR obs between 45-56kts, none rain contaminated. Lol I was about to come in here and say you could make an argument for classifying this based on vis. I didn't know recon is in there. Clearly a closed low on the eastern side of the convective shield. Also with the minimum extrap of 1000.5. Very nice little low in there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger_deF Posted August 20, 2023 Author Share Posted August 20, 2023 Very strong convective burst occurring slightly to the East of the low level center. Definitely looks to be strengthening quicker than forecast (most models didn't bring 90L down to 1001 mb until right before landfall/in the open Atlantic). Will be interesting to see how this affects the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, tiger_deF said: Very strong convective burst occurring slightly to the East of the low level center. Definitely looks to be strengthening quicker than forecast (most models didn't bring 90L down to 1001 mb until right before landfall/in the open Atlantic). Will be interesting to see how this affects the track. Yeah I really want to see how it impacts the guidance, which has trended westward quite a bit recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Some models have it affecting either the far eastern US (Nantucket or eastern Maine) or the Canadian maritimes. Euro in general has a lot of traffic in the entire basin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said: Major hurricane when it's near the Mid-Atlantic/New England is very interesting, especially considering where it already is. Some 12z GFS ensembles have a 500mb low pulling it toward the coast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Tropical Storm Franklin advisories coming at 5pm. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 First VDM Product: NOAA Vortex Message (URNT12 KWBC)Transmitted: 20th day of the month at 20:35ZAgency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N43RF)Mission Purpose: Investigate second suspect area (flight in the North Atlantic basin)Mission Number: 1Observation Number: 05 ( See all messages of this type for this mission. )A. Time of Center Fix: 20th day of the month at 19:54:07ZB. Center Fix Coordinates: 14.65N 67.05WB. Center Fix Location: 268 statute miles (431 km) to the SSW (194°) from San Juan, Puerto Rico (U.S.).C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not AvailableD. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1002mb (29.59 inHg) - ExtrapolatedE. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center (Undecoded): NAF. Eye Character: Not AvailableG. Eye Shape: Not AvailableH. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: Not AvailableI. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound (Undecoded): NAJ. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 61° at 36kts (From the ENE at 41.4mph)K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles) to the NNW (330°) of center fix at 19:48:41ZL. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: Not AvailableM. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound (Undecoded): NAN. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 156° at 32kts (From the SSE at 36.8mph)O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 66 nautical miles (76 statute miles) to the SE (137°) of center fix at 20:12:58ZP. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 26°C (79°F) at a pressure alt. of 519m (1,703ft)Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 27°C (81°F) at a pressure alt. of 523m (1,716ft)R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 24°C (75°F)R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 29°C (84°F)S. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Wind and PressureS. Fix Level: 1,500 feetT. Navigational Fix Accuracy / Meteorological Accuracy (Undecoded): 0.01 / NARemarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded... Maximum Flight Level Wind: 51kts (~ 58.7mph) which was observed 64 nautical miles (74 statute miles) to the NE (43°) from the flight level center at 18:09:34Z Remarks Section - Additional Remarks... SLP EXTRAP FROM 1500FT RA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 No surprise, but forecast to become a hurricane in the first advisory package. Tropical Storm Franklin Discussion Number 1 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082023 500 PM AST Sun Aug 20 2023 This afternoon we have received a wealth of data from both a NOAA reconnaissance mission and satellite imagery near the area of low pressure located in the eastern Caribbean Sea. Earlier visible satellite imagery showed the system had likely formed a tight low-level vortex based on the earlier cloud motions before a convective burst obscured the center. Scatterometer data that clipped the system on the east side also showed winds near tropical storm intensity. The NOAA aircraft flew through the system shortly thereafter, and found the system had indeed formed a well-defined center, with 950-mb flight level winds of 51 kt just to the northeast of the center. All this information confirms that Tropical Storm Franklin has formed this afternoon, with an initial intensity set at 40 kt. The initial motion is off to the west-northwest at 290/12 kt. Over the next 24 hours this general motion should continue while the system remains steered by a narrow mid-level ridge. Thereafter, a large mid-ocean trough over the western Atlantic will produce a pronounced weakness in this ridging, likely causing the tropical storm to make a sharp turn northward, bringing the storm near or over the large island of Hispaniola in about 48-60 h. Afterwards, another mid-latitude trough is forecast to amplify southward, maintaining this weakness, and resulting in Franklin turning northeastward towards the end of the forecast period. There is a decent amount of spread in the track guidance, related to just when Franklin will make the initial northward turn. For this initial forecast, the NHC track forecast will stick close to the track consensus TVCN, which favors a track in between the latest ECMWF and GFS solutions, favoring the GFS a bit more. Intensity wise, Franklin may have to deal with a bit of westerly wind shear in the short-term, limiting more robust intensification early on. However, this shear drops off as the system makes its turn northward towards Hispaniola a bit more intensification is shown with a 55-kt intensity peak as Franklin approaches the coast. The intensity forecast then is complicated by the fact that Franklin will likely pass near or over the island sometime in the 2-3 day time period, and some weakening is shown during this time. However, the forecast environment after the system re-emerges into the Western Atlantic looks mostly favorable, with reintensification likely as long as the system is not too disrupted by the higher terrain of Hispaniola. The NHC intensity forecast is in good agreement with the consensus aids, and lies closest to the HFIP corrected consensus approach through the forecast period. Based on the current track forecast, a tropical storm watch has been issued for the entire southern coastline of Haiti and the Dominican Republic. KEY MESSAGES: 1. Franklin is forecast to approach Hispaniola late on Tuesday and move across the island on Wednesday as a tropical storm, bringing a risk of flooding from heavy rainfall, strong winds, and dangerous waves along the coast. 2. Heavy rainfall from Franklin is expected across portions of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola through the middle of the week. The heavy rainfall may produce areas of flash and urban flooding as well as river rises and mudslides. Across Hispaniola, significant and potentially life-threatening flash flooding is possible Tuesday into Wednesday. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 20/2100Z 14.6N 67.1W 40 KT 45 MPH 12H 21/0600Z 15.0N 68.9W 45 KT 50 MPH 24H 21/1800Z 15.4N 70.7W 45 KT 50 MPH 36H 22/0600Z 15.8N 71.5W 50 KT 60 MPH 48H 22/1800Z 17.2N 71.5W 55 KT 65 MPH 60H 23/0600Z 19.1N 71.1W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND 72H 23/1800Z 21.0N 70.6W 55 KT 65 MPH...OVER WATER 96H 24/1800Z 23.9N 67.5W 65 KT 75 MPH 120H 25/1800Z 25.4N 65.0W 75 KT 85 MPH $$ Forecaster Papin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Protection Program Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Dang, how long has it been Franklin? I assume a lot of lighting involved? The key for me is keeping this turkey away from Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Dang, how long has it been Franklin? I assume a lot of lighting involved? The key for me is keeping this turkey away from Houston.Just became Franklin, and you must be confusing this system (topic) with the Gulf of Mexico system. Franklin will not be a threat to the Gulf but could pose some interaction with the Mid-Atlantic to New England depending on how modeling evolves and trough vs western Atlantic ridging interaction. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Yep looks to affect my home country of DR but they could handle it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Here's a video update on Franklin...and Hilary...and 91L....and TD-6...and Emily....and the wave off Africa...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4WHe9sAbR8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Weenie alert issued for New England. Preposterous GFS runs possibly posted on Twitter over the coming days. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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