hardypalmguy Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Anyways, I'm allowed to be upset about the loss of a natural climate. Regardless of whether the elimination of occasional late summer frosts and freezes were advantageous to agriculture. Just look at Bradford, Pennsylvania. Used to be one of the coldest spots in the country. August freezes in 1965, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1982, and 1986. None since 1986. It hasn't even been below 40F in the month of August since 2014, and the last time below 38F was in 2004. I mean look, it's barely dropped below 50F this month. This type of a change has to have a drastic impact on the local ecosystem. Wild a person thinks upper 20s in August is good. Must like famine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Just now, hardypalmguy said: Wild a person thinks upper 20s in August is good. Must like famine. I didn't know Bradford, Pennsylvania was an important agricultural region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: I didn't know Bradford, Pennsylvania was an important agricultural region. No one has gardens? Would suck to lose tomato and pepper crop over a month early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, hardypalmguy said: No one has gardens? Would suck to lose tomato and pepper crop over a month early. Ok, so I did some further research. Here was the article in the WaPo from 8/30/1982, discussing the cold snap: A Cold Snap Replaces Usual August Steambath - The Washington Post Note the record low of 38F in suburban Washington, D.C. at Dulles International Airport. A location more noted for its hot, subtropical climate and lack of snow, saw temperatures dipping into the 30s. As you can see, most people absolutely loved that weather: Of course, they did. Who doesn't like a crisp morning, followed by a warm, sunny afternoon in the 70s? The article does speculate that there could be crop damage from the midwest where temperatures dropped into the 20s. But if we look at the actual data, we see 1982 corn yield came in way above trend. The poor yield years (1983, 1988, 1991, 1993, 1995, 2002, 2011, and 2012) were from heat and drought (except 1993 may have been heat and flooding). The best yield years occur in cold, wet summers (1992, 2004, & 2009). The point being a little frost in August is probably not a big deal. The still high sun angle and short nights probably limited any frost to a couple hours near sunrise, with rapid melting by 7-7:30 am, preventing any significant damage. I mean perhaps yields would have been slightly higher without the cold snap. But it's clear from the data that heat and drought are a much bigger threat to agriculture than a quick, early frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, hardypalmguy said: No one has gardens? Would suck to lose tomato and pepper crop over a month early. The airport is at 2100 feet. The town is more like 1400-1500 feet, so it was probably a few degrees warmer in town. At the airport elevation, no, I don't believe it would be practical to grow tomatoes outside of a greenhouse in a natural climate. In the native climate, the frost-free period seems to be too short. You might get a few tomatoes, but I doubt much yield. Today, it would probably be much more feasible since summertime frosts no longer occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Time you to take all the climate crap to the Climate Change section or start you own fear mongering thread. Can the moderators please stop having the threads filled with this climate crap? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Theme of the summer, smoke is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambana Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 Fascinating how gulf hurricanes always coincide with tranquil and sunny weather in the lakes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Got a fun little tstorm this evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Chambana said: Fascinating how gulf hurricanes always coincide with tranquil and sunny weather in the lakes. Until you get one of those Texas hookers that drag flooding rains straight up the Mississippi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidIcewx Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, bowtie` said: Until you get one of those Texas hookers that drag flooding rains straight up the Mississippi. Hurricane Ike would be a good example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Chambana said: Fascinating how gulf hurricanes always coincide with tranquil and sunny weather in the lakes. They block the pattern from progressing east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrdIowPitMsp Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 hours ago, bowtie` said: Until you get one of those Texas hookers that drag flooding rains straight up the Mississippi. This sounds lovely right now tbh. There hasn’t been any precipitation here since August 14 with nothing on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartman Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 May very well be stuck in the 60s today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 22 hours ago, Lightning said: Time you to take all the climate crap to the Climate Change section or start you own fear mongering thread. Can the moderators please stop having the threads filled with this climate crap? Going to agree with you on this. Climate change discussions end up causing too much debate that can get heated. That's why we have a Climate Change section on the forum. And just to be clear, when I post my monthly charts for temp anoms, its purpose is not to get into climate debates, just to show data, and where we stand now. The why this, and that can be discussed somewhere else if members wish to do that. At the same time, if a post is made, and comments follow, it's natural for one to want to defend his position. That's when it can get dicey, and needs to be halted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 After some cooler wx around here, looks like a nice, and warm weekend on tap. Rather hot just a few miles to the south of me tho. Get what you can, Fall is around the corner, especially here in the northern areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, Brian D said: After some cooler wx around here, looks like a nice, and warm weekend on tap. Rather hot just a few miles to the south of me tho. Get what you can, Fall is around the corner, especially here in the northern areas. Today really feels like an early fall day here with temps only in the 60s. Glad we have more heat coming. As always hoping we can get another storm outbreak! Some of my favorite storms have occurred in September 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 13 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said: This sounds lovely right now tbh. There hasn’t been any precipitation here since August 14 with nothing on the horizon. I agree with you here. Grass is going dormant again. Could use a shot of the juice. The cards are not looking good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidIcewx Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 16 hours ago, Lightning said: Today really feels like an early fall day here with temps only in the 60s. Glad we have more heat coming. As always hoping we can get another storm outbreak! Some of my favorite storms have occurred in September Hopefully a prolific lightning producer without the severe winds. Lots of areas had quite a beating this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 41 here this morning. Nice early taste of Fall before a little warm spell returns this weekend/early next week. Temps won't be nearly as impressive as last week's heat wave, prob mid 90s tops for the DVN cwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, cyclone77 said: 41 here this morning. Nice early taste of Fall before a little warm spell returns this weekend/early next week. Temps won't be nearly as impressive as last week's heat wave, prob mid 90s tops for the DVN cwa. you're too cold this weekend. it will be way warmer. probably not as humid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, SolidIcewx said: Hopefully a prolific lightning producer without the severe winds. Lots of areas had quite a beating this summer. Agreed. My area just had a big beating!! One of my trees only has about 1/3 of the branches left. We might just take that tree down. I didn't get power back until Monday evening. I think that was the longest I have been without power that I can remember (well non-generator power that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chambana Posted August 31, 2023 Author Share Posted August 31, 2023 We kiss met summer goodbye tomorrow, and what a summer it was. Flash drought, heatwaves, and the infamous 6/29 derecho. Really fun summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krfd Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 hours ago, hardypalmguy said: you're too cold this weekend. it will be way warmer. probably not as humid. enjoy the heat. you're schtick has run its course once again, you're about 6 months overdue for your cyclical ban. folks are tolerating your shit as its summer but if you keep the antics up the next few months you're donezo again. maybe tone it down and try to act normal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, krfd said: enjoy the heat. you're schtick has run its course once again, you're about 6 months overdue for your cyclical ban. folks are tolerating your shit as its summer but if you keep the antics up the next few months you're donezo again. maybe tone it down and try to act normal. winter won't play too nice for you, i'm sorry man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krfd Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 hours ago, hardypalmguy said: winter won't play too nice for you, i'm sorry man. gas on the flame. you’re a damn good troll I’ll give you that. one of the greats. thx for the wishcast, I have one too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers09 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, krfd said: gas on the flame. you’re a damn good troll I’ll give you that. one of the greats. thx for the wishcast, I have one too. Good luck with that in an El Niño winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krfd Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chargers09 said: Good luck with that in an El Niño winter We’ll torch to the solstice and freeze til the next one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, krfd said: We’ll torch to the solstice and freeze til the next one. end of time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 hours ago, krfd said: enjoy the heat. you're schtick has run its course once again, you're about 6 months overdue for your cyclical ban. folks are tolerating your shit as its summer but if you keep the antics up the next few months you're donezo again. maybe tone it down and try to act normal. The ignore feature is wonderful. Use it and save yourself the bullshit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now