WxWatcher007 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Unsurprisingly, this evening the NHC designated the area of interest in the eastern Atlantic as Invest 92L. Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 800 PM EDT Fri Jun 16 2023 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: 1. Eastern Tropical Atlantic: A tropical wave located several hundred miles south of the Cabo Verde Islands is currently producing a broad area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms. Environmental conditions appear conducive for additional development, and a tropical depression is likely to form by the early to middle portion of next week while the system moves westward at 15 to 20 mph across the eastern and central tropical Atlantic. * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...30 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...high...70 percent. Forecaster Papin TC genesis still needs to occur, but thus far this has been a remarkably well forecasted window for development, which @GaWx notes is highly anomalous against the historical record. There are a few reasons why this seems to be a very favorable window for development in the next week. First, SSTs are historically warm for this time of year. It's warm throughout the basin, but in the MDR it is particularly hot. Much higher than normal SSTs have allowed the MDR to be conducive at least thermodynamically. Why? In large part because of the mid/upper level pattern we haven't seen strong trade winds, or SAL, to temper warming in the MDR east of the Antilles. Just as important, we see a highly anomalous amount of OHC throughout the basin. This is a gif I quickly put together showing OHC values from 2016-2023 in mid June. And today's value as a single image: This is only one piece of the puzzle, however. In this region we also have reduced shear, and higher moisture levels, critical elements in TC development and survival that are usually hostile this time of year. It's about as good as it gets, currently. Here's the 12z EPS using 5 day averaged wind shear anomalies. This is an incredible look that has trended more favorable in recent days. Just as impressive is the moisture envelope. In recent years, dry air and stability put a cap on TC genesis and development, especially in the central and eastern MDR. That does not appear to be an issue this time, which again, is extremely impressive for mid-June. Coupled with the passage of a CCKW, and this all leads to a highly favorable environment IMO for TC genesis. This would be a highly favorable environment in September. It doesn't look like much now, but ASCAT shows that while elongated, it is trying to gradually consolidate. I think it will, and from there it'll be a question of 1) how quickly 92L can take advantage of the favorable environment, and 2) what the longer range steering pattern evolves into There's not much more to say yet, other than the operational guidance has become more bullish on intensification in the last 24 hours for the above reasons. As for track, while both ensembles (EPS/GEFS) look to favor an eventual recurve, it is extremely early to look long range on steering, though climo almost always favors a recurve, especially in the current upper level regime. I would watch closely in the Antilles. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbolt Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 I smell a fish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 11 hours ago, thunderbolt said: I smell a fish The GFS and ECMWF ensemble mean is into or just N of the Lesser Antilles. I'd bet money on the fish as well (TVCN consensus is a fish), but it isn't a lock. The stronger members tend to recurve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On Euro, 92L stays weak enough to make it to the LA. Dry air and shear are the picadors, Hispaniola is the matador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeffsvilleWx Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 I don't trust the euro output. It's got a 102x mb high parked right over venezuela for the entire model period that really just doesn't really move save for a few spurious changes (including 1 panel at hr 69 where it changes to a 1007 mb low before changing back to 102x high on the next panel). Looks to be right over Pico Cristobol Colon. I'd think if it were accurate, there'd be a little bit of panel to panel wobble to that high. Or maybe I'm just an idiot. That's certainly possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, NeffsvilleWx said: I don't trust the euro output. It's got a 102x mb high parked right over venezuela for the entire model period that really just doesn't really move save for a few spurious changes (including 1 panel at hr 69 where it changes to a 1007 mb low before changing back to 102x high on the next panel). Looks to be right over Pico Cristobol Colon. I'd think if it were accurate, there'd be a little bit of panel to panel wobble to that high. Or maybe I'm just an idiot. That's certainly possible. Pretty sure that is an artifact of Tropical Tidbits display, not the Euro. If the model had a 1024 high, exceptionally high for the deep tropics, the winds around that H would reflect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormchaserchuck1 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Early season storms are more likely to track W->E 20N/60W is a huge point difference to pass north or south of. 70/30 vs 10/90 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger_deF Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 We're on the cusp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 Yeah, certainly looks like an organizational trend the last 12 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Shallow but consistent convection has really done its job to help organize the circulation. I'd imagine this is a depression by early Monday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Most GFS ensembles are a 'fish', because most are strong, most Euro ensembles are into the Caribbean, because most are weak. I think strength determines path, but the Lesser Antilles are in decent shape either way, a miss or a weak system. Hispaniola might have flood issues with a weaker system just because it reaches them. GFS and Euro shear and moisture currently looking favorable. Satellite makes me thing it won't close off immediately, but when it does, it could intensify quickly. Or either the GFS family stronger and recurve or the Euro family weaker and make it to the LA seem reasonable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Up to 90%/90% in 2PM EDT TWO: Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 200 PM EDT Sun Jun 18 2023 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: Eastern Tropical Atlantic (AL92): Showers and thunderstorms have become better organized in association with a broad area of low pressure located several hundred miles southwest of the Cabo Verde Islands. Environmental conditions appear conducive for additional development, and a tropical depression or tropical storm is expected to form over the next day or so. This system is forecast to move westward at 15 to 20 mph across the central tropical Atlantic with further development through the middle part of the week. Additional information on this system, including gale warnings, can be found in High Seas Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent. * Formation chance through 7 days...high...90 percent. Forecaster Blake 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Pretty consistent convection tonight with a robust mid level circulation (at least). Hard to tell if there’s a LLC under there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Well, morning visible imagery shows that 92L has organized considerably overnight, and is on the cusp of becoming a tropical cyclone. It may very well be a close call for the Antilles as both the Euro and GFS have modest intensification before a close pass/hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummer Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Here we go. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 We’re about to find out the NHC’s first thoughts on track and intensity. If I were to hazard a guess, I’d say the first forecast would bring it to the northern Lesser Antilles as a 65kt system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Tropical Depression Three Discussion Number 1 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL032023 1100 AM AST Mon Jun 19 2023 Satellite images indicate that the tropical wave over the central Atlantic has become better organized this morning. GOES-16 1-min visible imagery shows that the center has become well defined near a developing central dense overcast with prominent convective banding in the northern semicircle. The initial intensity is set to 30 kt, based on Dvorak estimates from SAB and TAFB, and recent satellite trends indicate this system is close to tropical-storm status. The initial motion estimate is 275/18 kt, a bit uncertain because the center has just recently become trackable. A large ridge of high pressure over the central Atlantic Ocean is forecast to cause the depression to move westward over the next several days. As the system nears the Lesser Antilles late this week, the ridge should weaken, causing the system to move more toward the west-northwest. However, there is considerable uncertainty in how much of a right turn could occur because it is somewhat tied to the intensity of the cyclone. A stronger system would tend to move more to the right due to the upper-level flow, while a weaker system would continue more westward into the Caribbean. For now, this forecast lies near the model consensus, and adjustments are likely in future advisories. This should be considered a low confidence track forecast since this type of forecast situation can result in large errors. Environmental conditions appear conducive for strengthening over the next few days, with a much warmer than normal ocean in the depression's path, along with plentiful mid-level moisture and light shear. This should promote strengthening through midweek. However, vertical wind shear is forecast to increase by most of the model guidance around day 3 in response to an upper-level trough. Thus the NHC forecast shows the intensity leveling off at the end of the forecast, consistent with the middle of the guidance envelope. This intensity forecast is also more uncertain than normal, due to the differences in the model suite, along with the aclimatological nature of this system. KEY MESSAGES: 1. The depression is forecast to strengthen and move across the Lesser Antilles as a hurricane on Thursday and Friday, bringing a risk of flooding from heavy rainfall, hurricane-force winds, and dangerous storm surge and waves. 2. Given the larger than usual uncertainty in the track forecast, it is too early to specify the location and magnitude of where these hazards could occur. However, everyone in the Lesser Antilles, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands should closely monitor updates to the forecast for this system and have their hurricane plan in place. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 19/1500Z 11.0N 40.3W 30 KT 35 MPH 12H 20/0000Z 11.2N 42.9W 40 KT 45 MPH 24H 20/1200Z 11.7N 45.9W 45 KT 50 MPH 36H 21/0000Z 12.2N 48.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 48H 21/1200Z 12.8N 51.2W 60 KT 70 MPH 60H 22/0000Z 13.3N 53.9W 65 KT 75 MPH 72H 22/1200Z 13.8N 56.3W 70 KT 80 MPH 96H 23/1200Z 14.9N 61.5W 70 KT 80 MPH 120H 24/1200Z 16.5N 66.5W 65 KT 75 MPH $$ Forecaster Blake/Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Hmm. The long range shear forecast is critical for intensity, and possible track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, WxWatcher007 said: Hmm. The long range shear forecast is critical for intensity, and possible track. Gfs is already shifting more west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Pretty divergent solutions still on track and intensity. Looking at TD 3 though, it’s continuing to organize at a modest pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BYG Jacob Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Hi Bret 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Should be there at 5pm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Structure looks nice but all models have it go poof as soon as it enters the Caribbean. If the NHC is right and it maintains at a 75-80 mph hurricane through the Caribbean, they would get mad respect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, WxWatcher007 said: Should be there at 5pm It appears that it will be upgraded at 5PM EDT per this: AL, 03, 2023061918, , BEST, 0, 112N, 414W, 35, 1008, TS This would tie it with Bret of 2017 as the earliest TS in the MDR east of the Caribbean on record back to 1851. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 30 minutes ago, cptcatz said: Structure looks nice but all models have it go poof as soon as it enters the Caribbean. If the NHC is right and it maintains at a 75-80 mph hurricane through the Caribbean, they would get mad respect. It’s an aggressive opening bid, particularly for the Caribbean portion. I thought it would make it to the islands as a minimal cane, but get blown to bits by shear afterward. That said, we have numerous examples of TCs in this basin recently that were either resilient in the face of shear due to sound structure, or exceeded initial expectations to an extent because of shear intensity/vector forecasts missing. Hopefully with a well defined LLC now we can get some kind of convergence on guidance in subsequent suites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbondaleWX Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 https://twitter.com/NHC_Atlantic/status/1670895245998067722 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 I remember Claudette in early July of 2003. Developed into a strong TS/minimal Cat 1, quickly died in the Eastern and Central Caribbean, but found it's way back in the Western Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico and struck Texas as a 90 mph hurricane. I always am wary of systems like Bret because even if it "dies" in the Eastern Caribbean, that doesn't preclude it returning and striking land further west as a stronger system down the road. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 I don’t think it’ll get that far west, but I was saying in the Mid-Atlantic thread that I like Elsa as an early analog. I think there will be shear, but the euro is too aggressive tearing it apart and driving it due west into the Caribbean. IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: I don’t think it’ll get that far west, but I was saying in the Mid-Atlantic thread that I like Elsa as an early analog. I think there will be shear, but the euro is too aggressive tearing it apart and driving it due west into the Caribbean. IMO. I'm actually quite surprised at how favorable things look ahead compared to other early systems. It's not ideal but far from complete obliteration like Danny 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, Floydbuster said: I'm actually quite surprised at how favorable things look ahead compared to other early systems. It's not ideal but far from complete obliteration like Danny 2015. I really am starting to think the MDR being open like this may be an early signal of a more active season. It’s not just that much of the basin is historically warm…the TUTT is displaced northward and with this early wave train we are seeing no issues with stability and SAL like past years. To get one TC is historic for this time of year, the guidance is trending toward multiple TC genesis opportunities in the next 10-14 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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