nycwinter Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 days are getting shorter now today felt like a mid october day why cant we just skip summer and enjoy this taste of fall.. 2 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, nycwinter said: days are getting shorter now today felt like a mid october day why cant we just skip summer and enjoy this taste of fall.. Yeah, shorter by seconds lmao..and that has nothing to do with anything. Our warmest and coldest averages always come after the solstice anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, nycwinter said: days are getting shorter now today felt like a mid october day why cant we just skip summer and enjoy this taste of fall.. move 6 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, forkyfork said: move Thoughts on this rain potential? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Had 9.25" rain here for astro spring with 7" of that falling in April...still my 4th driest in 42 years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 .08 inch of rain here this morning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Wide right this morning, wide left this evening. From 90% chance of rain to zippo. Even a moron like me could see this trending rapidly the wrong way. filtered sun, temp 71. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Euro doesn’t have much until Saturday evening. The stuff on Sunday looks scattered and could easily dry up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Euro doesn’t have much until Saturday evening. The stuff on Sunday looks scattered and could easily dry up. Whenever M Nature starts kicking the can down the road, it typically doesn’t end well. Delayed starts are brutal, especially in winter. On the plus side, it’s cool enough that I’m able to take my 130lb Great Dane for walks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: Euro doesn’t have much until Saturday evening. The stuff on Sunday looks scattered and could easily dry up. Yeah it just doesn't look like the widespread heavy rain event that models were showing a few days ago. The steady rain for this morning failed and now it's just gonna be scattered activity the next few days. Of course some areas will get lucky with heavy downpours and will get a good amount of rain, but there will be other areas that get very little. Hopefully we'll get lucky here, but my expectations are pretty low now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Euro doesn’t have much until Saturday evening. The stuff on Sunday looks scattered and could easily dry up. What a bust of a storm 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rmine1 said: Whenever M Nature starts kicking the can down the road, it typically doesn’t end well. Delayed starts are brutal, especially in winter. On the plus side, it’s cool enough that I’m able to take my 130lb Great Dane for walks 7 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: Yeah it just doesn't look like the widespread heavy rain event that models were showing a few days ago. The steady rain for this morning failed and now it's just gonna be scattered activity the next few days. Of course some areas will get lucky with heavy downpours and will get a good amount of rain, but there will be other areas that get very little. Hopefully we'll get lucky here, but my expectations are pretty low now. If I knew this was the eventual outcome (not sure why I expected differently) I would have preferred hot sunny weather over this garbage for days. It’s still cool outside with very little humidity 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: If I knew this was the eventual outcome (not sure why I expected differently) I would have preferred hot sunny weather over this garbage for days. It’s still cool outside with very little humidity Hopefully we can clean things up for the upcoming holiday weekend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Come Wednesday the euro has a total of 3-5 inches around the metro but that’s very hard to believe. It’s just the Global’s having a hard time forecasting convection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Based on all 12Z global models I am not budging on my expectations of local 4" amounts over parts of this forum for period ending 12Z Thursday 6/29. I'll even go a step further and say better than 50% of the sub forum gets 1-2" for the period ending next Thursday 12Z. That might not be enough to please some but with the lack of sun and lack of warm temperatures it will help with the dry conditions. Pattern does not look unfavorable to me for decent totals over the next 6 days. I did not water the garden last night and don't plan on watering tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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winterwarlock Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 52 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Euro doesn’t have much until Saturday evening. The stuff on Sunday looks scattered and could easily dry up. How about any sun? Im greedy and looking for a beach day now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, winterwarlock said: How about any sun? Im greedy and looking for a beach day now It won’t be raining 100% of the time. I think Sunday ends up better then expected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, MANDA said: Based on all 12Z global models I am not budging on my expectations of local 4" amounts over parts of this forum for period ending 12Z Thursday 6/29. I'll even go a step further and say better than 50% of the sub forum gets 1-2" for the period ending next Thursday 12Z. That might not be enough to please some but with the lack of sun and warm temperatures it will help with the dry conditions. Pattern does not look unfavorable to me for decent totals over the next 6 days. I did not water the garden last night and don't plan on watering tonight. I am holding off watering unless it's absolutely necessary. Today was a bust, and they hung onto the rain forecasts too long, despite no radar or ground confirmation. We'll see about the next 7 days. Hopefully you're right, although I could skip Saturday since we have outdoor plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, MANDA said: Based on all 12Z global models I am not budging on my expectations of local 4" amounts over parts of this forum for period ending 12Z Thursday 6/29. I'll even go a step further and say better than 50% of the sub forum gets 1-2" for the period ending next Thursday 12Z. That might not be enough to please some but with the lack of sun and lack of warm temperatures it will help with the dry conditions. Pattern does not look unfavorable to me for decent totals over the next 6 days. I did not water the garden last night and don't plan on watering tonight. the one difference is that we will have a humid airmass in place-today failed b/c the airmass was bone dry and NE winds continued to drive cool/dry air in....precip never had a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgame830 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: the one difference is that we will have a humid airmass in place-today failed b/c the airmass was bone dry and NE winds continued to drive cool/dry air in....precip never had a chance Agreed. You can certainly feel the humidity starting to rise. It was much cooler this morning. Now the DWPT has risen to 61% with a Humidity level of 73%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Allsnow said: Come Wednesday the euro has a total of 3-5 inches around the metro but that’s very hard to believe. It’s just the Global’s having a hard time forecasting convection More likely I get 3-5 additional drops. West of the city probably does better where convection often pops up in the summer. Whenever any front comes through is probably my area’s next real chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, jm1220 said: More likely I get 3-5 additional drops. West of the city probably does better where convection often pops up in the summer. Whenever any front comes through is probably my area’s next real chance. Upton new AFD basically agrees with your thoughts. This is a none event for the coast and nyc. NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM FRIDAY MORNING/... A warm front remains to our south associated with a low over the Carolinas. The low is expected to track to the north and west, bringing the warm front closer tonight. A small wave of light showers/drizzle is expected to trek across our eastern areas this evening, but is looking a lot less than in previous model runs. Cloud cover remains persistent into tonight due to the warm from providing ample lift to our south. Moisture will increase overnight from south to north with the warm front's approach, leading to areas of fog early Friday morning and increasing precip chances. Overnight should steer clear of any widespread precip before Friday. && .SHORT TERM /6 AM FRIDAY MORNING THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/... A closed upper low tracks into the Ohio Valley on Friday, while at the surface, a warm front lifts through the region. The day likely begins on the showery side as the warm front moves through. Dew points rise into the upper 60 to near 70 with southerly flow developing post fropa in the morning. Most showers and thunderstorms look to occur west of our area, with interior locations having a better chance of precip than coastal locations. The warm front should still provide enough lift to produce intermittent light to moderate showers. The risk for excessive rainfall has been shifted inland away from our area as most of the forecasted heavier precip has trended in that direction. PWATs from multiple CAMs still bump up into the 1.8-2" threshold, which would be near the max moving average of 2" for this time of year. Due to this, rain chances still reach likely thresholds for tomorrow. NBM continues to overdo precip for Friday, just like it did today, so I stuck closer to our CONSALL guidance for rain chances Friday, with some hand edits. Temperatures will be warmer than Thursday with the region lying in the warm sector, though still below normal values for late June. Highs top out in the mid 70s for most, and remain mild overnight into Saturday morning. Stuck close to NBM guidance for temperatures. && .LONG TERM /SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... Weak low pressure at the surface and frontal boundaries near the forecast area this weekend will provide enough lift needed for showers and thunderstorms to develop over the weekend. A weak upper trough weakens as it moves toward the area from the west. However, models have backed off on any widespread precipitation, and given the poor performance of the models over the past couple of cycles in regards to the recent rain, or lack thereof, any confidence in heavy rainfall is low. Any heavy rain this weekend looks to be isolated, with higher chances of occurring mainly north and west of New York City. The NBM shows just under a 20% chance of 1.00" of rainfall in 24 hours for KJFK. Additionally, slightly lower PWAT values are noted in the deterministic models, though peak values are still around 2.00" across the area. So, while the overall average precipitation for the weekend is lower, any heavy shower or thunderstorm could still produce close to 2.00" of rainfall. But again, the more likely place for this would be areas north and west. Another cutoff develops over the central Great Lakes region Sunday night into Monday. This cutoff low, along with its associated frontal boundaries and upper trough will continue the chances for precipitation for the beginning through the middle of next week as it slowly moves east. This time frame appears to be a better chance for heavier rain, but again, with the poor performance with the models, it is low confidence at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishcast_hater Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 hours ago, MANDA said: Based on all 12Z global models I am not budging on my expectations of local 4" amounts over parts of this forum for period ending 12Z Thursday 6/29. I'll even go a step further and say better than 50% of the sub forum gets 1-2" for the period ending next Thursday 12Z. That might not be enough to please some but with the lack of sun and lack of warm temperatures it will help with the dry conditions. Pattern does not look unfavorable to me for decent totals over the next 6 days. I did not water the garden last night and don't plan on watering tonight. Models have been consistently wrong so I don't know how you can have any faith for significant rains. At least at one time the models were good when it came to rain now they are just worthless no matter what the season. Yes, I am over generalizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 It's summer so you can't rely on synoptic rains anymore. It will be a game of have vs havenots. Someone's going to get a lot of rain and someone isn't. Dews look very tropical though and any sun will aid in tstorm development quickly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: It's summer so you can't rely on synoptic rains anymore. It will be a game of have vs havenots. Someone's going to get a lot of rain and someone isn't. Dews look very tropical though and any sun will aid in tstorm development quickly Upton saying dews are not that abnormal for this time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, wishcast_hater said: Models have been consistently wrong so I don't know how you can have any faith for significant rains. At least at one time the models were good when it came to rain now they are just worthless no matter what the season. Yes, I am over generalizing. The nam can't even agree with itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Who knows what to believe with these models, which is worrisome because as of now the holiday weekend is forecast to be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 30 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Upton saying dews are not that abnormal for this time of the year. Near 70F dews is plenty tropical for heavy rains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmtnwx Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 hours ago, forkyfork said: move Secretly Forky enjoying this weather. What a summer lol, feel the chill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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