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2 takes.

Natural Gas record low: https://ibb.co/2vrfcHK

ENSO subsurface changes: https://ibb.co/ZgvkXCY

ON NATURAL GAS: Since 1998, top 7 +Natural Gas analogs for February averaged 8.3, bottom 4 Natural Gas analogs for February averaged 2.2. We are at 1.97, the 3rd lowest on record in that time, fitting the extreme situation guideline.

Here are the top 11 +analogs for March.. based on Feb's NG price:

https://ibb.co/6wKqgDf

https://ibb.co/Hp0zZqW

^that's Feb high/low NG price rolled forward into March (so a +1 month lead time).  I don't know that March's warmth will be that extreme, because a lot of LR models (GEFS, EPS, Euro) are showing below average temps through the 21st, but we probably will finish the month above normal in the NE. 

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100dm is an amazing signal for something not even really related!

Furthermore, my analog set is 1998-2023.  I have 11 analogs out of the dataset.. so 11/25 years.. 41% of the total. To have a +7F average anomaly (+ and - .. more - years, for the global warming skew.. 7/11 are cold analogs) for 40% of a dataset in 25 years is amazing!  

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23 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

2 takes.

Natural Gas record low: https://ibb.co/2vrfcHK

ENSO subsurface changes: https://ibb.co/ZgvkXCY

ON NATURAL GAS: Since 1998, top 7 +Natural Gas analogs for February averaged 8.3, bottom 4 Natural Gas analogs for February averaged 2.2. We are at 1.97, the 3rd lowest on record in that time, fitting the extreme situation guideline.

Here are the top 11 +analogs for March.. based on Feb's NG price:

https://ibb.co/6wKqgDf

https://ibb.co/Hp0zZqW

^that's Feb high/low NG price rolled forward into March (so a +1 month lead time).  I don't know that March's warmth will be that extreme, because a lot of LR models (GEFS, EPS, Euro) are showing below average temps through the 21st, but we probably will finish the month above normal in the NE. 

This is what I have for March:

1951-2010:
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1991-2020: 
AVvXsEidbBwqIU2TPlYngGR4SNiJeL28gQ0jP5oE
 
 
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Natural Gas is still just absolutely tanking.. got as low as 1.59 today. 

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Believe it or not, going 1 year ahead (for Winter 2024-25) doesn't have a very high correlation:

Long term graph since 1995, https://ibb.co/4td0sCG

Lowest years the Winter before (2012, 2016, 2020) for the following winter: https://ibb.co/Kzxhtc8

Minus the highest years (-2008, -2022): https://ibb.co/kGxqBD3

There is even a -AO tendency with 3 cold waves around it, in these 5 analogs,  and +pna signal, and that's colder, so not a real strong indicator going 1 year out... 

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1 hour ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Here's your -AO look:
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I thought a Strong El Nino/Strong -QBO combo would do that.. we had a few Stratosphere warmings. The Pacific Ocean pattern kept North America warmer.. 

near total lack of cold air except siberia

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@40/70 Benchmark
The CPC came with +0.75 NAO for DJFM March, which was outside of my +0.54 SD range for NAO forecast, based on May-September N. Atlantic SSTs. But if you look at the actual maps, the SLP between Iceland and Azores (where the NAO is calculated) is a slightly negative or neutral NAO index reading for the Winter, which fits my forecast, which was near 0.0 in prediction.

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Yeah, Natural Gas is really low right now, which means that the average NG trader is going for a warmer Winter at this point for the Great Lakes, NE-US, Europe, and Russia. (Down 10% today!)

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Especially compared to Oil and Gasoline.. 

I did find that the correlation isn't very big until you pass the Summer-hot season. Maybe they think it will be a cooler Summer? I doubt it.. 

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On 4/23/2024 at 9:19 PM, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

@40/70 Benchmark
The CPC came with +0.75 NAO for DJFM March, which was outside of my +0.54 SD range for NAO forecast, based on May-September N. Atlantic SSTs. But if you look at the actual maps, the SLP between Iceland and Azores (where the NAO is calculated) is a slightly negative or neutral NAO index reading for the Winter, which fits my forecast, which was near 0.0 in prediction.

Cool...yea, you do a good job with that.

I am going to delve into the post season analysis probably next week...I think my snowfall forecast was decent outside of SNE.

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Nice job Ray.. I don't agree that the PNA was +0.55 for the Winter.. there was an Aleutian High most of the time, and +EPO/+WPO. I think their measurement runs into the EPO domain, counting Alaska and the Gulf of Alaska.. I see it as a -PNA Winter, especially since the North America part included a SE ridge and NW trough.  The one time the EC got cold in January was because of -NAO. 

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On 5/12/2024 at 10:48 PM, 40/70 Benchmark said:

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Do you know how much snow Boston has received vs average 2017-18 to 2023-24? If it's less than 50% that's a huge bad omen for areas south on the east coast going forward through the next few years and maybe decades. 

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On 5/13/2024 at 12:15 AM, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Nice job Ray.. I don't agree that the PNA was +0.55 for the Winter.. there was an Aleutian High most of the time, and +EPO/+WPO. I think their measurement runs into the EPO domain, counting Alaska and the Gulf of Alaska.. I see it as a -PNA Winter, especially since the North America part included a SE ridge and NW trough.  The one time the EC got cold in January was because of -NAO. 

Yea, well the calculation is what it is. I did note the westward displacement of the PNA.

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1 hour ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Do you know how much snow Boston has received vs average 2017-18 to 2023-24? If it's less than 50% that's a huge bad omen for areas south on the east coast going forward through the next few years and maybe decades. 

I don't think it's that low....2017-2018 was very good and 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 were okay. 

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Their measurement does intersect the two (PNA and EPO)

Here is PNA H5

https://ibb.co/L1HKSSJ

US Air Temps

https://ibb.co/KFnBqTh

EPO H5

https://ibb.co/q1hjXGx

US Air Temps

https://ibb.co/FqRBgF5

As you can see, the EPO does have a pretty strong opposite-correlation in the N. Pacific (what I am calling the PNA region). That is why the CPC PNA has only a weak correlation with air temps over the NE, but EPO has a strong correlation. It's not that Alaska is super important (although it is), but the PNA south of where they measure is the sweet spot for correlated temperature impact. 

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9 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Their measurement does intersect the two (PNA and EPO)

Here is PNA H5

https://ibb.co/L1HKSSJ

US Air Temps

https://ibb.co/KFnBqTh

EPO H5

https://ibb.co/q1hjXGx

US Air Temps

https://ibb.co/FqRBgF5

As you can see, the EPO does have a pretty strong opposite-correlation in the N. Pacific (what I am calling the PNA region). That is why the CPC PNA has only a weak correlation with air temps over the NE, but EPO has a strong correlation. It's not that Alaska is super important (although it is), but the PNA south of where they measure is the sweet spot for correlated temperature impact. 

Yea, no argument there. Like I said, the indexes do not necessirly encompass the ideal domain space to maximixe the correlation to our weather, but I just forecast and report the calculated numbers in addition to the actual sensible weather and H5 pattern.

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17 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

Do you know how much snow Boston has received vs average 2017-18 to 2023-24? If it's less than 50% that's a huge bad omen for areas south on the east coast going forward through the next few years and maybe decades. 

I think it may be luck turning around for BOS. This year I did better than them on LI (15.5” here, not saying much), last year I had about the same, 21-22 BOS had more largely because of the late Jan storm that was 24” 20 miles east of me and 14” IMBY, 20-21 I did better because of the early Feb big run we had. 2017-18 through 19-20 BOS probably did better but 17-18 was also good/great here so it might’ve been about even. The Jan storms in 2022 and 2018 slammed as far south as the Delmarva so it’s really about the crap pattern favoring the West/Plains/NNE we’ve all been stuck in. When the boiling W PAC cools down so the rampaging PAC jet can take a break, it should turn back around. After the general 2000-2018 bonanza period we were due for a stretch of garbage. 

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