Chicago Storm Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 new season, same disco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I am not looking forward to this weekend being cold and snowless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outflow Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Lightning said: I am not looking forward to this weekend being cold and snowless At this point it's go massive or go home when it comes to cold/snow, 20s and mood flakes just don't cut it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Here at 40N., today the daylight is exactly 12 hours long. Always happens a couple of days before exact first day of Spring. Always cool to see sunrise at 7:53a.m. and then sunset at 7:53 p.m.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 We have finally made it. At 5:24p.m. it was the Vernal Equinox. Spring has sprung. In the nonsensical sun angle tidbit, today at 40N the sun angle at the merdian was 50 degrees. Your latitude will differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowtie` Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Always good to welcome the Sun back into the Northern Hemisphere. Time to dump the winter threads and fire up the spring ones. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 we deserve better 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 ^ 6z GFS shows temps of -15 to -20 in ND at Day 7. I imagine that's not very common for March 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Morch 2012 forever ruined spring around here. March, April, and usually the first half of May aren't consistently warm at our latitude. But 2012 has made our usual spring weather feel worse and wanting it to be something that it's not. Then when it's legit cold, like this past weekend, it sucks even more. Since I've lived out here, we've only had one April with solid well above normal warmth, in 2017. Other than that, we've had a mix of within range of normal still with late season snow events (particularly 2019), to the relentlessly awful April 2018. This spring looks no different thus far. Hopefully when the blockiness breaks, we can get into an interesting warmer pattern with severe threats and chasing prospects vs. flipping right to summer (albeit not a bad thing temperature wise) like in May 2018. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, RCNYILWX said: Morch 2012 forever ruined spring around here. March, April, and usually the first half of May aren't consistently warm at our latitude. But 2012 has made our usual spring weather feel worse and wanting it to be something that it's not. Then when it's legit cold, like this past weekend, it sucks even more. Since I've lived out here, we've only had one April with solid well above normal warmth, in 2017. Other than that, we've had a mix of within range of normal still with late season snow events (particularly 2019), to the relentlessly awful April 2018. This spring looks no different thus far. Hopefully when the blockiness breaks, we can get into an interesting warmer pattern with severe threats and chasing prospects vs. flipping right to summer (albeit not a bad thing temperature wise) like in May 2018. April 2018 here saw record cold, a mid month ice storm and of course some snow. We missed out on late April snows in 2019 while Chicago got hit with a few. Since then, we've had late april snows in 2020, 2021, 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, RCNYILWX said: Morch 2012 forever ruined spring around here. March, April, and usually the first half of May aren't consistently warm at our latitude. But 2012 has made our usual spring weather feel worse and wanting it to be something that it's not. Then when it's legit cold, like this past weekend, it sucks even more. Since I've lived out here, we've only had one April with solid well above normal warmth, in 2017. Other than that, we've had a mix of within range of normal still with late season snow events (particularly 2019), to the relentlessly awful April 2018. This spring looks no different thus far. Hopefully when the blockiness breaks, we can get into an interesting warmer pattern with severe threats and chasing prospects vs. flipping right to summer (albeit not a bad thing temperature wise) like in May 2018. In 2021 April was relatively mild in southern Wisconsin, with a legit torch early in the month, but it was also quiet and dry like 2012-lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 5 hours ago, A-L-E-K said: we deserve better Long range Goofus loves cold so much, I've been tempted to ask why doesn't it marry it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, CheeselandSkies said: In 2021 April was relatively mild in southern Wisconsin, with a legit torch early in the month, but it was also quiet and dry like 2012-lite. The Apr 20/21, 2021 snowstorm makes it easy forget the warmth, but you are correct. 2021 and 2017 were the only early greenups since 2012 and the early flowering trees with the heavy snow are what made the storm so memorable here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Vid about the 2013 Moore OK EF5 from our ol' buddy Broyles from SPC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Question for chicago lakeshore folks. Do you guys have any idea how much snow fell this season approximately on the lake shore? Maybe 12-15"? My brother was asking, I told him he undoubtedly had less than the 19.7: at ORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Question for chicago lakeshore folks. Do you guys have any idea how much snow fell this season approximately on the lake shore? Maybe 12-15"? My brother was asking, I told him he undoubtedly had less than the 19.7: at ORD. Downtown/lakefront is easily under 10” on the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: Downtown/lakefront is easily under 10” on the season. Wow thanks. I knew it was not much, but didn't realize it was that little. Glad I made him shovel my mom's driveway at Christmas, gave him a little winter lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Next couple weeks look miserable. Thunderstorm south and snow north with MBY being the chllly snizzle zone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, Lightning said: Next couple weeks look miserable. Thunderstorm south and snow north with MBY being the chllly snizzle zone. Sounds like typical Spring (and Fall for that matter) in Michigan to me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidIcewx Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Lightning said: Next couple weeks look miserable. Thunderstorm south and snow north with MBY being the chllly snizzle zone. Remember we can blast off for a couple days into the 70s out of nowhere. Definitely getting into that time period where warm ups can be a lot stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, SolidIcewx said: Remember we can blast off for a couple days into the 70s out of nowhere. Definitely getting into that time period where warm ups can be a lot stronger One can only hope but there are many times those warm fronts get caught up around I96. Those wonderful days of where it is 70+ in AA and 40s in Fenton. If I were to get t-storms out of it then no complaints but they usually pop along the MI boarder to my south. As Powerball said sounds like typical MI Spring!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 On 3/21/2023 at 12:50 PM, michsnowfreak said: The Apr 20/21, 2021 snowstorm makes it easy forget the warmth, but you are correct. 2021 and 2017 were the only early greenups since 2012 and the early flowering trees with the heavy snow are what made the storm so memorable here. Well, every year is an early greenup compared to the start of the 19th century. If you transported someone from the 1800s, they would think even the "late" greenups you cite were exceptionally early. This is not my opinion either, but backed up by real phenological evidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Well, every year is an early greenup compared to the start of the 19th century. If you transported someone from the 1800s, they would think even the "late" greenups you cite were exceptionally early. This is not my opinion either, but backed up by real phenological evidence. You do know there is a whole forum devoted to climate change? Wouldn't mind a discussion about our region in there as several others have. It's gonna get lost in threads like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 7 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: Well, every year is an early greenup compared to the start of the 19th century. If you transported someone from the 1800s, they would think even the "late" greenups you cite were exceptionally early. This is not my opinion either, but backed up by real phenological evidence. How come when discussing how much winter temps warmed we start in 1970, but when discussing greenup we start in 1800? And if trees blooming in early-mid May is "exceptionally early", I guess we had to wait til June in 1800. I have a 580 page book by Bela Hubbard called "memorials of a half century". It literally details everything (weather, trees, etc) around Detroit from the 1830s-1880s. It's a fascinating read. There were many open winters back then btw. I'd say winters of the early 19th century were colder and drier overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Harry said: You do know there is a whole forum devoted to climate change? Wouldn't mind a discussion about our region in there as several others have. It's gonna get lost in threads like this. Bringing cc into every post is annoying. But id be all for a regional thread on it. Locally there's things I like (more snow) and things I don't like (more heat). The book that I mentioned above is actually a great way to look at what this area looked like almost 200 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainsucks Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 We had some exceptionally warm winters in the 1870s and 1880s, winters that would make this one look frigid in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainsucks Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 On 3/21/2023 at 11:23 AM, CheeselandSkies said: In 2021 April was relatively mild in southern Wisconsin, with a legit torch early in the month, but it was also quiet and dry like 2012-lite. 2021 was an overall pretty good spring around these parts, we got lucky that year. Sadly that doesn't look to be the case this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, rainsucks said: We had some exceptionally warm winters in the 1870s and 1880s, winters that would make this one look frigid in comparison. There were incredibly roller coaster winters in those decades. Very warm winters in the Midwest were 1875-76 1877-78 1879-80 1881-82 1889-90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidIcewx Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 5 hours ago, michsnowfreak said: There were incredibly roller coaster winters in those decades. Very warm winters in the Midwest were 1875-76 1877-78 1879-80 1881-82 1889-90 Also weren’t those some of the years we had the great Chicago fire and the Great Michigan wildfires that raged thru the thumb? If I recall on reading it was very dry for a few years before the event and with our bad logging practices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 13 hours ago, SolidIcewx said: Also weren’t those some of the years we had the great Chicago fire and the Great Michigan wildfires that raged thru the thumb? If I recall on reading it was very dry for a few years before the event and with our bad logging practices The Chicago fire was 1871. I think the michigan wildfires were also early 1870s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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