Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 50 minutes ago, snywx said: Terrible logic from Harriman to the GWB it’s 40 mins straight down the palisades Less traffic but the geographical distance from midtown to western Suffolk is definitely less than midtown to Harriman. Western Suffolk geographical distance is like northern Westchester/Rockland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishcast_hater Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Here are the big winners ********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL******************** LOCATION TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS SNOWFALL MEASURED (inches) CONNECTICUT ...Litchfield County... New Hartford 14.0 817 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter Winsted 12.1 800 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter Torrington 11.5 820 PM 3/14 Twitter 1 SE Winsted 11.3 916 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter MASSACHUSETTS ...Berkshire County... Hancock 27.0 1136 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 2 ENE Pittsfield 26.7 715 AM 3/15 Elevation 1194 Feet Becket 26.0 722 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Otis 24.0 615 PM 3/14 Amateur Radio 3 S Sandisfield 23.1 1000 PM 3/14 Twitter Pittsfield 23.0 727 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 2 NNE Pittsfield 22.5 948 PM 3/14 1194 ft elevation Lenoxdale 20.5 700 AM 3/15 Co-Op Observer Adams 20.0 849 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter 3 S New Ashford 19.0 700 PM 3/14 Town of Lanesborough 1 E Lenox 18.2 1000 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Lanesborough 16.0 1059 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Stockbridge 14.0 555 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Cheshire 13.0 700 PM 3/14 Amateur Radio Williamstown 13.0 700 PM 3/14 Amateur Radio North Adams 11.0 635 AM 3/15 Amateur Radio NEW YORK ...Albany County... Knox 24.5 1120 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Rensselaerville 24.0 618 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Ballston Lake 15.5 1059 PM 3/14 NWS Employee Albany 13.0 800 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter 4 SE Duanesburg 13.0 621 PM 3/14 NWS Employee 2 W Delmar 10.5 751 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter Albany Intl AP 10.1 1000 PM 3/14 ASOS 2 SW Voorheesville 9.5 755 AM 3/15 Amateur Radio 2 W Albany 9.2 1000 PM 3/14 Retired NWS Emp. Delmar 9.0 1127 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Boght Corners 8.8 945 PM 3/14 NWS Employee 3 NW Guilderland 8.7 630 PM 3/14 NWS Employee Colonie 8.6 846 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter 1 NNW Colonie 8.4 745 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter 2 ESE Westmere 7.5 1025 PM 3/14 NWS Employee 1 W Albany 6.8 1000 PM 3/14 NWS Employee ...Columbia County... 3 N Austerlitz 31.0 725 AM 3/15 Elevation 1750 Feet 4 NNW Hillsdale 24.3 715 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter Austerlitz 20.5 1101 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Canaan 18.0 630 PM 3/14 Facebook Taghkanic 13.2 846 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Kinderhook 8.0 630 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter ...Dutchess County... Beekman 12.0 915 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Millbrook 11.0 730 PM 3/14 Facebook Poughkeepsie 7.5 830 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Hopewell Junction 7.5 830 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Red Oaks Mill 6.3 1100 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter ...Fulton County... Perth 8.0 606 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 ...Greene County... 4 SW Palenville 36.0 621 PM 3/14 Elevation 2100 Feet Hunter 32.3 731 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter West Kill 32.0 801 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Halcott Center 19.0 612 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Greenville Center 18.0 624 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Cairo 9.0 749 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Catskill 5.5 1128 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 ...Hamilton County... Piseco 27.0 729 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 ...Herkimer County... Dolgeville 6.0 115 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter ...Montgomery County... Glen 17.0 629 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Fonda 8.0 759 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Amsterdam 7.9 1149 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 ...Rensselaer County... Poestenkill 25.3 1145 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter 2 NNW Averill Park 23.0 740 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Berlin 21.0 1030 PM 3/14 Facebook Valley Falls 19.5 1100 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter West Sand Lake 19.5 900 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Speigletown 18.0 637 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 North Greenbush 18.0 1030 PM 3/14 Facebook 1 N Sycaway 17.2 100 AM 3/15 NWS Employee East Greenbush 17.0 855 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Troy 16.0 715 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter 1 SW Valley Falls 15.7 750 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Buskirk 15.0 820 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter Hoosick Falls 14.5 744 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 1 S Troy 13.5 700 PM 3/14 Amateur Radio 2 SSE Watervliet 13.5 651 PM 3/14 Amateur Radio Schaghticoke 13.0 712 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 2 WNW Wyantskill 12.0 800 AM 3/15 Amateur Radio ...Saratoga County... Lake Desolation 26.0 1141 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 4 WNW Rock City Fall 21.4 620 PM 3/14 CoCoRaHS Corinth 18.0 620 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter 2 NW Quaker Springs 17.0 645 PM 3/14 Social Media Galway 13.6 1054 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 2 ESE Clifton Park 12.5 910 PM 3/14 NWS Employee Clifton Park 11.8 1000 PM 3/14 CoCoRaHS Halfmoon 11.5 713 PM 3/14 Fire Dept/Rescue Saratoga Lake 9.3 920 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Saratoga Springs 9.3 1020 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Ballston Spa 8.2 617 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Charlton 8.0 623 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 4 WNW Gansevoort 8.0 730 PM 3/14 CoCoRaHS ...Schenectady County... Delanson 29.0 831 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Duanesburg 12.0 652 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 1 SSW Aqueduct 9.5 930 PM 3/14 NWS Employee ...Schoharie County... Middleburgh 30.0 644 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Jefferson 24.0 1128 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Richmondville 24.0 437 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 1 SE Gilboa 23.0 900 PM 3/14 Town of Conesville Schoharie 21.0 1142 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 Charlotteville 16.0 838 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 ...Ulster County... 4 S Halcott Center 20.0 826 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter West Shokan 4.0 852 AM 3/15 Public ...Warren County... Stony Creek 36.0 943 PM 3/14 1500 feet elevation. Lake Luzerne 15.5 633 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Glens Falls 9.5 730 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Queensbury 8.5 607 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 ...Washington County... Granville 24.0 751 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Hartford 20.0 616 PM 3/14 Trained Spotter Hebron 18.0 737 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 Whitehall 5.0 642 PM 3/14 WeatherNet6 VERMONT ...Bennington County... Landgrove 40.0 726 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 1 ESE Arlington 30.4 825 AM 3/15 Trained Spotter West Arlington 11.0 657 AM 3/15 WeatherNet6 ...Windham County... Wilmington 36.0 613 AM 3/15 Park/Forest Srvc Marlboro 36.0 830 PM 3/14 Facebook Brattleboro 23.0 630 PM 3/14 Facebook 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: just say coastal plain, because the climate rapidly changes as you go inland. I see that as I head west basically once 20 minutes beyond the Lincoln Tunnel you see snow on the side of the roads lol I think NYC and Long Island are mostly in the same climate zone and NW NJ is two climate zones colder than we are. Yea this was basically my point, I guess climate zones is actually a better way to phrase it than nyc metro, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Winterweatherlover said: Huntington is far western Suffolk so not that far from NYC. Anyway I don’t really get why people NW get so bothered by not being referred to as immediate NYC Metro? Your climo is so drastically different and in a good way for snow lovers. Western Suffolk and SE Orange is roughly the same distance from Manhattan. 2-3 miles is the difference. It just seems closer because there isn’t much of a difference from the 5 boros in regards to potential weather impacts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, snywx said: Western Suffolk and SE Orange is roughly the same distance from Manhattan. 2-3 miles is the difference. It just seems closer because there isn’t much of a difference from the 5 boros in regards to potential weather impacts Yea I think your last sentence is why it’s viewed differently but I like Liberty’s idea of focusing on different climo zones within the metro region. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Absolutely horrible performance from the Euro/EPS, HRRR, Ukie, ICON and NAM. NAM was beyond horrible. The RGEM/CMC totally schooled them and so did the GFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Absolutely horrible performance from the Euro/EPS, HRRR, Ukie, ICON and NAM. NAM was beyond horrible. The RGEM/CMC totally schooled them and so did the GFS The RGEM was pretty bad for northern parts of the subforum. I agree though it’s still the best of a bad group, at least it won’t get you dissapointed. The NAM is beyond horrible. People can post what they want but I don’t know why people even post that model anymore it’s way off over and over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 hours ago, snowman19 said: Huge bust-a-rama for them, even NWS Boston had a foot plus. I only saw 2” up here in Sloatsburg, grass and car tops only, NWS Upton was calling for 4-6 at one point Brutal. Orh had like 15 while Boston under a inch… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Absolutely horrible performance from the Euro/EPS, HRRR, Ukie, ICON and NAM. NAM was beyond horrible. The RGEM/CMC totally schooled them and so did the GFS The intracacies of the low position, track etc absolutely. In terms of sensible weather impacts outside of maybe immediate Boston they did a good job. The models 4-5 days in advance focused in on the areas that got buried. It’s not like they were dry and someplace else got crushed. The areas on the periphery are always the toughest. If Boston was 2-3 degrees colder during the storm they’d have the 8”+ many models had there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: I would like it to be 30 inches lol, that's a nice round number. That 30 year average is so unbearably close to 30 inches lol, so let's just keep it at 30 inches. Boston's average also went up with the new 30 year averages, but I don't think it got over 45....not sure what it is now but the old 30 year averages were around 42. Boston’s is around 49” now. The crushers in the 2010s especially 14-15 helped a lot. The eastern 2/3 of Suffolk County should be thought of as New England climate-wise more than Mid Atlantic. It’s really just an extension of S CT and RI. Some North Shore areas from my backyard and east average just as much snow as coastal CT and get impacted by the same types of storms. SW of NYC is Mid Atlantic climate. NYC is really the transition zone that can get blanked and bonanza’d by both storm types which makes our area especially hard to forecast for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Winterweatherlover said: Less traffic but the geographical distance from midtown to western Suffolk is definitely less than midtown to Harriman. Western Suffolk geographical distance is like northern Westchester/Rockland. One of the reasons I move to Westchester was how much quicker and easier it is to get to Manhattan. It is just too hard to get on and off Long Island. You take a place like Huntington and you can be in Putnam easily in same time 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Boston’s is around 49” now. The crushers in the 2010s especially 14-15 helped a lot. The eastern 2/3 of Suffolk County should be thought of as New England climate-wise more than Mid Atlantic. It’s really just an extension of S CT and RI. Some North Shore areas from my backyard and east average just as much snow as coastal CT and get impacted by the same types of storms. SW of NYC is Mid Atlantic climate. NYC is really the transition zone that can get blanked and bonanza’d by both storm types which makes our area especially hard to forecast for. I think your area should have around a 35 inch average basically between Huntington and Wading River and down to about Upton. SW Nassau is closer to coastal NJ in climate I always look at that area to see if we are going to do well with snow more than I do either Suffolk County or NYC. North coastal NJ though, not a place like Toms River or further south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: One of the reasons I move to Westchester was how much quicker and easier it is to get to Manhattan. It is just too hard to get on and off Long Island. You take a place like Huntington and you can be in Putnam easily in same time Yeah the person who designed the highways here just didn't want people to travel a lot between Manhattan and Long Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: I would like it to be 30 inches lol, that's a nice round number. That 30 year average is so unbearably close to 30 inches lol, so let's just keep it at 30 inches. Boston's average also went up with the new 30 year averages, but I don't think it got over 45....not sure what it is now but the old 30 year averages were around 42. Data for Boston (Logan) that I've gleaned has their 1920-on average at 43.2" (with some early decades not at Logan) and 49.7" for 1991-2020. For the 2010s it was 52.4". (Without 2014-15, the 30-year is 47.4" and the 2010s only 46.0".) Edit: Ninja-ed by jm1220 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, tamarack said: Data for Boston (Logan) that I've gleaned has their 1920-on average at 43.2" (with some early decades not at Logan) and 49.7" for 1991-2020. For the 2010s it was 52.4". (Without 2014-15, the 30-year is 47.4" and the 2010s only 46.0".) Edit: Ninja-ed by jm1220 wow they have increased even more than NYC has. I wonder if they had a similar dip in snowfall average in the 70s and 80s like NYC did, and a higher peak back in the earlier decades (when NYC was averaging 30 inches or more of snow every decade.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: One of the reasons I move to Westchester was how much quicker and easier it is to get to Manhattan. It is just too hard to get on and off Long Island. You take a place like Huntington and you can be in Putnam easily in same time I also never wanted to be stuck on an island. For example yesterday I got to drive to upper Westchester to snow chase in 30 minutes. From LI it would take hours to get out of NYC especially during rush hour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: wow they have increased even more than NYC has. I wonder if they had a similar dip in snowfall average in the 70s and 80s like NYC did, and a higher peak back in the earlier decades (when NYC was averaging 30 inches or more of snow every decade.) 34.1" in the 1980s. Only one season topped 60" and it took the 13.3" April blizzard to get there. 70s were about the same as the LT avg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yeah the person who designed the highways here just didn't want people to travel a lot between Manhattan and Long Island. Robert Moses lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt8204 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 At least we got a little taste of what winter is like again before the end. Was nice to at least see the grass and trees covered yesterday when the snow began to stick. Rough season but hopefully we do better next year. I'm ready for spring now. Temps are going to feel good the next couple of days; upper 50's and maybe low 60's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Very impressive liquid amounts for LI and parts of CT. As I said this would've been a 6 to 10" snowstorm for the city on West but Suffolk would've had over 2 feet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveWinter Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 42 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yeah the person who designed the highways here just didn't want people to travel a lot between Manhattan and Long Island. There are plenty of highways on LI, espec in western sections. I think part of the problem is the high population density in Nassau and that to get in and out of LI you HAVE to go thru an even denser Queens. For Westchester, once you are out of Manhattan the density falls off dramatically which, combined with numerous highway/parkway options makes it a quicker ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, ILoveWinter said: There are plenty of highways on LI, espec in western sections. I think part of the problem is the high population density in Nassau and that to get in and out of LI you HAVE to go thru an even denser Queens. For Westchester, once you are out of Manhattan the density falls off dramatically which, combined with numerous highway/parkway options makes it a quicker ride. The Bronx can get pretty crowded to travel through but even the Bronx north of the cross Bronx usually isn’t as congested as Queens. I find Westchester has way less traffic than Nassau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 CT highways are more frustrating than LI highways to me. I find the traffic flow on 495 and the Southern State Pkwy to be much more predictable than 95, 84, or Merritt Pkwy even if LI’s traffic volume is greater overall. I’ll take NJ over either of them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Also in a marginal event Westchester will usually be snowier than LI. This last storm was an exception at least for southern part of the county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveWinter Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Winterweatherlover said: The Bronx can get pretty crowded to travel through but even the Bronx north of the cross Bronx usually isn’t as congested as Queens. I find Westchester has way less traffic than Nassau. True but on average the congestion in the Bronx is better. Also depends if you are heading up from the west side of Manhattan as you only then need to clear Riverdale which often is less congested than the rest of the Bronx. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intensewind002 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, jm1220 said: Boston’s is around 49” now. The crushers in the 2010s especially 14-15 helped a lot. The eastern 2/3 of Suffolk County should be thought of as New England climate-wise more than Mid Atlantic. It’s really just an extension of S CT and RI. Some North Shore areas from my backyard and east average just as much snow as coastal CT and get impacted by the same types of storms. SW of NYC is Mid Atlantic climate. NYC is really the transition zone that can get blanked and bonanza’d by both storm types which makes our area especially hard to forecast for. I feel like the biggest example of this would be when Suffolk got 20”+ in both Juno (Jan 2015) and Jonas (Jan 2016). I think this was the only county/region that got crushed by both storms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Cfa said: I’m east of you and the snow didn’t really accumulate under that band. OKX reported only 0.6” at 8 PM after hours of heavy snow. Upton finished with 1.1, ISP 1.2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Winterweatherlover said: Huntington is far western Suffolk so not that far from NYC. Anyway I don’t really get why people NW get so bothered by not being referred to as immediate NYC Metro? Your climo is so drastically different and in a good way for snow lovers. Yup. Orange County is a different climate zone with much greater elevation. LI has a similar climate to NYC, SW CT, NE NJ, etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 44.5 mph gust just now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 9 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: Tri-state snowfall totals from the storm Not to nitpick but questioning some of these numbers. Did Queens actually see 0.1? I haven’t heard anyone in the city say anything accumulated. Also the Bronx and lower Westchester absolutely did not get 1-2 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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