LibertyBell Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Islandersguy said: Saw that too! I’m also realizing tomorrow is the last time we will see snow until next year! So I’ll take it! Never say never, looks like it will get colder again starting Sunday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Picard said: Don't think I've ever seen a warning followed by a prediction of 2-8 inches. Action Recommended Make preparations per the instructions Issued By Philadelphia - PA, US, National Weather Service Affected Area Sussex, Warren and Morris counties Description ...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EDT TUESDAY... WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 2 to 8 inches. Winds gusting as high as 40 mph. WHERE...Sussex, Warren and Morris counties. WHEN...Until 6 PM EDT Tuesday. NWS isn't able to make a warning for anything other than those entire counties, so they have to use that in the language. But what would be more helpful would be to say "2 inches on valley floors and 8 inches on ridge tops". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, jm1220 said: NWS isn't able to make a warning for anything other than those entire counties, so they have to use that in the language. But what would be more helpful would be to say "2 inches on valley floors and 8 inches on ridge tops". Understood. But don't they use different language out west, like "Winter Storm Warning for elevations 5000 feet and above, Winter Weather Advisory for elevations 3000-5000 feet". As an example. You probably wouldn't ever issue a Winter Storm Warning for the entirety of Clark County Nevada since it's so large and includes Las Vegas. Seems like it might be something for NWS to consider for this area when we have scenarios like this one. Or would our counties be too small to make those distinctions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Picard said: Understood. But don't they use different language out west, like "Winter Storm Warning for elevations 5000 feet and above, Winter Weather Advisory for elevations 3000-5000 feet". As an example. You probably wouldn't ever issue a Winter Storm Warning for the entirety of Clark County Nevada since it's so large and includes Las Vegas. Seems like it might be something for NWS to consider for this area when we have scenarios like this one. Or would our counties be too small to make those distinctions? They divide Nassau and Suffolk counties into north and south (and actually northwest, northeast, southwest and southeast for Suffolk county) so I don't see why that can't be done for other counties too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Don't think I've ever seen a warning followed by a prediction of 2-8 inches. Action Recommended Make preparations per the instructions Issued By Philadelphia - PA, US, National Weather Service Affected Area Sussex, Warren and Morris counties Description ...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EDT TUESDAY... WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 2 to 8 inches. Winds gusting as high as 40 mph. WHERE...Sussex, Warren and Morris counties. WHEN...Until 6 PM EDT Tuesday. . 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intensewind002 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Picard said: Understood. But don't they use different language out west, like "Winter Storm Warning for elevations 5000 feet and above, Winter Weather Advisory for elevations 3000-5000 feet". As an example. You probably wouldn't ever issue a Winter Storm Warning for the entirety of Clark County Nevada since it's so large and includes Las Vegas. Seems like it might be something for NWS to consider for this area when we have scenarios like this one. Or would our counties be too small to make those distinctions? I believe eastern and western WFOs follow different protocols when issuing advisories/watches/warnings and whatnot. At least that’s what I was told when I was interning at the Albany office 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: They divide Nassau and Suffolk counties into north and south (and actually northwest, northeast, southwest and southeast for Suffolk county) so I don't see why that can't be done for other counties too. It’s geographically way more clear cut here. In Sussex and Morris Counties it’s much more dependent on your elevation in terms of what you often get especially this time of year. So I don’t think you can geographically split the county but you can word the warnings accordingly. In CTP they often word advisories/warnings based on your elevation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, jm1220 said: NWS isn't able to make a warning for anything other than those entire counties, so they have to use that in the language. But what would be more helpful would be to say "2 inches on valley floors and 8 inches on ridge tops". Farther down in the Winter Storm Warning it states... * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Rain or a mix of rain and snow will change to snow by later this evening. Some heavier snow is possible late tonight and Tuesday morning. The greatest snow totals will be in the higher elevations mainly above 1000 feet. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadInTheClouds Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 This storm must be a nightmare for NWS offices. Albany still hasn't updated it's 5am storm briefing but they are generally the latest to do these updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, MGorse said: Farther down in the Winter Storm Warning it states... * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Rain or a mix of rain and snow will change to snow by later this evening. Some heavier snow is possible late tonight and Tuesday morning. The greatest snow totals will be in the higher elevations mainly above 1000 feet. Gotcha, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 The HRRR at hour 18 is markedly less stupid over SNE with low placement than the 18Z HRRR run was at hour 22 so maybe its beginning to get an idea. I could see 00Z runs finally agreeing for the most part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 It has actually been pretty wet here since Friday. Had a 0.84" precip. total Friday/Saturday and have picked up 0.55" of precipitation so far today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Mt. Holly cancels the WSW for Warren and Morris Counties and issues a WWA for these counties. A new snow map has been issued. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, SnowGoose69 said: The HRRR at hour 18 is markedly less stupid over SNE with low placement than the 18Z HRRR run was at hour 22 so maybe it’s beginning to get an idea. I could see 00Z runs finally agreeing for the most part I would certainly hope so lol. Models clearly didn’t have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tatamy said: Mt. Holly cancels the WSW for Warren and Morris Counties and issues a WWA for these counties. A new snow map has been issued. 6-8 for MPO sounds about right and my place is right under that 6 inch dark blue to yellow border Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexcountyobs Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 The light rain that has been falling, is changing to wet snow. 34.4° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatamy Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, sussexcountyobs said: The light rain that has been falling, is changing to wet snow. 34.4° Wet snow is also falling in the higher elevations of the Poconos above about 1100’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 36.3 and wet rain. Winter storm warning still in Orange County for 6-12. Sure that’s happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 Radar is actually blossoming East of the GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, Tatamy said: Mt. Holly cancels the WSW for Warren and Morris Counties and issues a WWA for these counties. A new snow map has been issued. Sussex probably doesn't need the WSW at this point either. And now we're under a state of emergency according to nj.com Meanwhile, it's 37 here with light rain and no evidence of snow mixing in yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 minute ago, NJwx85 said: Radar is actually blossoming East of the GSP. You can see the curling east of ACY from our middle finger low. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I'm excited for snow showers tomorrow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJHurricane Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Picard said: Understood. But don't they use different language out west, like "Winter Storm Warning for elevations 5000 feet and above, Winter Weather Advisory for elevations 3000-5000 feet". As an example. You probably wouldn't ever issue a Winter Storm Warning for the entirety of Clark County Nevada since it's so large and includes Las Vegas. Seems like it might be something for NWS to consider for this area when we have scenarios like this one. Or would our counties be too small to make those distinctions? Half of the non weather population struggles to remember what county they are in, I guarantee you hardly any are aware of what specific elevation they are at in this part of the country. It is a weird communication dynamic for sure. I live in south Jersey but often work in Union county…3 coworkers live in Sussex county. When I relay the latest forecast evolution I always mention “higher amounts for the hill people….you know who you are.” And they do lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: 36.3 and wet rain. Winter storm warning still in Orange County for 6-12. Sure that’s happening. This winter needs to end already. Big bust incoming up here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishcast_hater Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 The rain is mixing with snow finally. It should transition to all snow within the hour.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonvalley21 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 37/36 with a few pingers and flakes mixed in. Elevation 125’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathermedic Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 .45 of rain so far here at my station 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 I know next to nothing about everything, but if you’re east of Wooosta, you might have to wait a while for the white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestBabylonWeather Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 This misery of a winter needs to go. When we had the record cold Xmas I thought we had something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmine1 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, MJO812 said: I'm excited for snow showers tomorrow Insult to Injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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