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The last hurrah? Putting all the eggs in the Tuesday 3/14 basket


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38 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

I don’t know…All these different runs look pretty decent here…WOR in a decent spot right now. 
 

This is in that weird stage now.  
 

Similarly two days ago,  there was zero precip coming tonight from this first one, and I was told it was dead-and gone from pros on here. Now somehow, GFS HAS almost .8” coming.  
 

likewise This one is far from figured out, just like tonight’s was deemed dead on arrival too. Now look….

We’re probably not going to get the one despite last night’s euro and uk runs that were partying with Ronnie but we could still squeeze and decent storm. Still some shifty shifting going on, nobody should be locking anything.

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Just now, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

We’re probably not going to get the one despite last night’s euro and uk runs that were partying with Ronnie but we could still squeeze and decent storm. Still some shifty shifting going on, nobody should be locking anything.

Agreed Luke. But I wouldn’t go as far as saying this can’t be very big either at this juncture.  Lots to be figured out here, and the flipping out and all is way to premature imo with at least 72 hours to go…haven’t we learned anything after all these yrs? 

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4 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Agreed Luke. But I wouldn’t go as far as saying this can’t be very big either at this juncture.  Lots to be figured out here, and the flipping out and all is way to premature imo with at least 72 hours to go…haven’t we learned anything after all these yrs? 

Thermals are too marginal to think “the one” but if we get lucky, it’s possible. Wish the 0z euro/uk can make a comeback over the next 72hrs lol.

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Oh this is a discerned difference in the total wave space handling across the hemisphere on the 18z run.

 

It's effecting the evolution of this thing toward an entirely new direction - or attempting to.  The vortex is moving along a trajectory now that is more akin this thing tonight and tomorrow - hints at doing that. It moves WNW to ESE straight over the area, looks really nothing like the 12 run that "fishing gaffed" negative tilted slice, which gave the total wave space down ---> up latitude positioning. 

Not sure what to make of it all - but it's new type of evolution coast to coast..  The western ridge is flatter ...deceptively so, and is more progressive... It's like this run decided it couldn't stand it and went running back to it's stretching bias.  

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10 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Thermals are too marginal to think “the one” but if we get lucky, it’s possible. Wish the 0z euro/uk can make a comeback over the next 72hrs lol.

That’s very possible…but even if it doesn’t, we don’t need the 1%er right now, just a good storm will due.  And that’s still very possible.  At least we’re tracking…that’s the way I see it currently. 

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Interesting look to ensemble sensitivity - top variance is surface low strength followed by location. The location is very much tied to the relative strengths of the northern and southern streams. 

Looking for a coherent feature to track back, you kind of lose it around 24 to 36 hours. So there may still be some time before this is locked.

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7 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

Interesting look to ensemble sensitivity - top variance is surface low strength followed by location. The location is very much tied to the relative strengths of the northern and southern streams. 

Looking for a coherent feature to track back, you kind of lose it around 24 to 36 hours. So there may still be some time before this is locked.

On all of the runs that were crushing my area around 495 (and other interior SNE folks east of the river), the southern stream was stronger so it was the focal point of baroclinicity even up at the 850 level. The trend today was decidedly weaker with that southern stream vort and the northern stream decided to slice in a bit quicker too…so it was forcing the baroclinic zone further NW, and we saw that with that shape of the sfc low too looking almost like an IVT extending into SE NY. Mid-levels responded too with a more SE flow look whereas those runs with the southern stream being stronger and making the wider turn, the midlevel flow was turning more out of the east quicker which of course shuts off the WAA faster. 

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7 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

On all of the runs that were crushing my area around 495 (and other interior SNE folks east of the river), the southern stream was stronger so it was the focal point of baroclinicity even up at the 850 level. The trend today was decidedly weaker with that southern stream vort and the northern stream decided to slice in a bit quicker too…so it was forcing the baroclinic zone further NW, and we saw that with that shape of the sfc low too looking almost like an IVT extending into SE NY. Mid-levels responded too with a more SE flow look whereas those runs with the southern stream being stronger and making the wider turn, the midlevel flow was turning more out of the east quicker which of course shuts off the WAA faster. 

Modeling is kind of a mess with that too. It's a firehose of vorticity from the Pac north of Hawaii. Euro uses one to pump the PNA up enough to the let the northern stream dig, while the GFS focuses on a wave that's a little too late to do the same.

We should be chucking dropsondes from the JFK non stop to HNL.

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