Bubbler86 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, canderson said: At what point is it a drought when nearly the whole country is in one and the new normal? IE we're getting drier and hotter. I am not sure if the norms are off a base set of years or longer term. As of right now the country as a whole is doing "ok". Our issue is that we would usually be stocking up on precip to prepare for the real hot season and it is not happening. Texas and the immediate states to their North are the worst areas in the country right now (Cont. 48). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDreamTraveler Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Bubbler86 said: I am not sure if the norms are off a base set of years or longer term. As of right now the country as a whole is doing "ok". Our issue is that we would usually be stocking up on precip to prepare for the real hot season and it is not happening. Texas and the immediate states to their North are the worst areas in the country right now (Cont. 48). It's still crazy to me that the US drought monitor wasn't even created until around the year 2000. Growing up I just thought it was a thing that had always existed for decades lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Itstrainingtime said: Drought for @Blizzard of 93 as well! Lol, I need to go out & buy some sprinklers. Hopefully there are no watering restrictions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 4 hours ago, canderson said: At what point is it a drought when nearly the whole country is in one and the new normal? IE we're getting drier and hotter. Lol, remember the epic drought in California…and then this Winter happened!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Lol, I think we should start a separate Drought thread just like some other regional forums have on here… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Lol, remember the epic drought in California…and then this Winter happened!? They’ll still be in a delightful with serious serious water woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 It will probably not rain or snow ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Permanent Drought & Wind Warnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I am looking forward to temps in the 70s tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said: It will probably not rain or snow ever again. That would put a serious dent into the mowing wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Western parts of the region might see some severe storms Wednesday. Interesting setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardstickgozinya Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 There still seams to be a lot of uncertainty with this system, but given the recent pattern, and loss of life I feel another high risk afternoon, and night is likely for the ArkLaTex region. Apr 4, 2023 0600 UTC Day 1 Convective Outlook Click to see valid 1Z - 12Z Day 1 Convective Outlook Updated: Tue Apr 4 06:04:35 UTC 2023 (Print Version | | ) Probabilistic to Categorical Outlook Conversion Table Categorical Tornado Wind Hail Pop. Cities CWAs RFCs Interstates Counties ARTCC FEMA Tribal Categorical Day1 1200Z Outlook Day 1 Risk Area (sq. mi.) Area Pop. Some Larger Population Centers in Risk Area MODERATE 55,302 3,086,437 Springfield, MO...Cedar Rapids, IA...Davenport, IA...Waterloo, IA...Iowa City, IA... ENHANCED 112,252 11,594,437 St. Louis, MO...Madison, WI...Des Moines, IA...Little Rock, AR...Aurora, IL... SLIGHT 183,658 27,761,618 Chicago, IL...Dallas, TX...Austin, TX...Milwaukee, WI...Kansas City, MO... MARGINAL 218,591 26,976,221 San Antonio, TX...Indianapolis, IN...Memphis, TN...Fort Worth, TX...Minneapolis, MN... Forecast Discussion SPC AC 040604 Day 1 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0104 AM CDT Tue Apr 04 2023 Valid 041200Z - 051200Z ...THERE IS A MODERATE RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS THERE IS A MODERATE RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM EASTERN IOWA INTO NORTHWEST ILLINOIS AND NORTHEAST MISSOURI...AND FROM SOUTHERN MISSOURI SOUTHWESTWARD TOWARD THE ARKLATEX... ...SUMMARY... A large area of severe potential will develop today into tonight, from eastern portions of the Plains into the Missouri and mid/upper Mississippi Valleys. Strong, potentially long track tornadoes are possible, in addition to large hail and damaging winds. Both afternoon and overnight potential is expected across various regions, including the risk of dangerous nighttime tornadoes. ...Synopsis... A deep upper trough will move from the Intermountain West/Rockies toward the Great Plains today. Within the large-scale trough, an upper cyclone will deepen as it moves northeastward toward the Dakotas. An 80-100 kt midlevel jet will overspread the central Plains during the afternoon/evening, while a secondary jet maximum intensifies through the day from the southern Plains into parts of the Midwest. At the surface, a broad cyclone will gradually consolidate and deepen as it propagates from the central High Plains toward western IA by early evening. A warm front will move northward into central/northern IA and northern IL by late afternoon, and into parts of WI/lower MI late tonight. A dryline will extend southward across eastern portions of the central/southern Plains, with a cold front expected to sweep through the Plains/Midwest this evening into the overnight. ...Iowa into parts of the Great Lakes states... Short-term guidance continues to vary greatly regarding the extent of mixing across the warm sector over parts of the Midwest later today. The typically overmixed RAP/HRRR drop surface dewpoints to near 60F south of the warm front as temperatures warm to near 90F, while the generally undermixed NAM maintains cooler temperatures and upper 60s F dewpoints across the warm sector, and is slower to advance the warm front northward. The current expectation is for the magnitude of mixing to be somewhere between these two extremes, with dewpoints remaining in the mid 60s in closer proximity to the warm front, with somewhat stronger mixing possible farther south. Considerable spread remains regarding convective evolution among regional/global guidance and CAMs. However, two areas of possible storm initiation this afternoon are evident. The first is near the MO/IA/IL border region, where substantial warming/moistening beneath steep midlevel lapse rates will result in rapid destabilization near/south of the warm front. Any supercell that develops in this region during the afternoon will pose a threat of very large to giant hail. Very favorable low-level and deep-layer shear will support a threat of strong tornadoes as well for as long as any supercell traverses the warm sector along/south of the warm front. The second area of potential initiation will be farther west across west-central IA, closer to the surface low. Some uncertainty remains regarding the moisture quality this far west, but moderate buoyancy and very favorable wind profiles will support a threat of supercells capable of all severe hazards, including the potential for a strong tornado or two with any cell that can persist in the warm sector. Additional convection may develop later tonight in association with the cold front and move into the region, posing a threat of hail and damaging gusts. A conditional tornado threat will also persist overnight with any sustained supercells. Finally, storms capable of hail will be possible north of the warm front, where MUCAPE in excess of 1000 J/kg, steep midlevel lapse rates, and sufficient deep-layer shear will support elevated supercell potential, despite rather cold surface temperatures. ...Southern Plains into the Ozark Plateau... A very favorable severe thunderstorm environment will also reside across the southern Plains into the Ozark Plateau, beginning this afternoon and persisting overnight east of the dryline/cold front. Diurnal storm development along the dryline is expected to be isolated at best, with large-scale ascent remaining weak for much of the day. However, convection is expected to increase this evening and especially overnight from northeast TX into AR and southern MO, within a persistent low-level moist plume associated with a strong low-level jet. Moderate buoyancy and very favorable wind profiles will support supercells, both with diurnal storms (if any develop) and nocturnal convection. Some nocturnal storms may be somewhat elevated (at least initially) and the mode may be a mix of discrete cells and clusters, but weak MLCINH will not prohibit surface-based convection, and the current expectation is for supercell potential to increase overnight. Any nocturnal supercells will be capable of all severe hazards, and the concern remains regarding the potential for nocturnal strong tornadoes from near the ArkLaTex region into parts of southern MO. ..Dean/Thornton.. 04/04/2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardstickgozinya Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 It kind of reminds me of the old weather Chanel form the 80's and 90's when they would just Highlight 1/3 the country for severe weather. Probably the largest area of ENH I have ever seen. Mod risk some where likely. Apr 4, 2023 0600 UTC Day 2 Convective Outlook Updated: Tue Apr 4 05:33:47 UTC 2023 (Print Version | | ) Probabilistic to Categorical Outlook Conversion Table Categorical Tornado Wind Hail Pop. Cities CWAs RFCs Interstates Counties ARTCC FEMA Tribal Categorical Day2 0600Z Outlook Day 2 Risk Area (sq. mi.) Area Pop. Some Larger Population Centers in Risk Area ENHANCED 229,449 45,085,699 Chicago, IL...Detroit, MI...Indianapolis, IN...Columbus, OH...Memphis, TN... SLIGHT 145,616 16,559,718 Milwaukee, WI...St. Louis, MO...Pittsburgh, PA...Buffalo, NY...Rochester, NY... MARGINAL 176,731 22,545,333 Houston, TX...Corpus Christi, TX...Madison, WI...Baton Rouge, LA...Jackson, MS... Forecast Discussion SPC AC 040533 Day 2 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1233 AM CDT Tue Apr 04 2023 Valid 051200Z - 061200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WEDNESDAY ACROSS MUCH OF THE LOWER GREAT LAKES REGION AND OHIO VALLEY... ...SUMMARY... Scattered severe storms posing a risk for strong tornadoes and large hail are expected in a corridor across eastern Illinois through Lower Michigan Wednesday, with organizing clusters or lines of storms accompanied by potentially damaging wind gusts, and perhaps a couple of tornadoes, across the Ohio Valley vicinity. ...Synopsis... Within the more amplified branch of split flow emanating from the mid-latitude Pacific, the center of a broad and deep, occluding cyclone is forecast to migrate across and northeast of the Lake Superior vicinity before beginning to weaken Wednesday through Wednesday night. As this occurs, it appears that mid-level ridging centered along an axis across the Yucatan Peninsula into western Atlantic will remain a prominent influence across much of the Southeast, while short wave ridging also overspreads the Northeast and Canadian Maritimes. Models indicate a corridor of deepening boundary-layer moisture overspreading the Ozark Plateau and middle Mississippi Valley, into the Lake Michigan vicinity, by early Wednesday. This is forecast to spread across much of the lower Great Lakes and Ohio Valley, ahead of the cold front trailing the cyclone, while the trailing flank of the front stalls across the lower Mississippi Valley into northwestern Gulf coastal plain, beneath the northwestern periphery of the mid-level ridging. ...Illinois through lower Michigan... Beneath a dry slot overspreading the region, south and east of an intensifying cyclonic mid-level jet (in excess of 120 kt around 500 mb), surface heating and steepening mid-level lapse rates are expected to contribute to sufficient destabilization for intensifying supercells. This may commence in a pre-frontal corridor as early as mid Wednesday morning across parts of central into northeastern Illinois, before developing into/across Lower Michigan and parts of adjacent northern Indiana and northwestern Ohio through late afternoon. It remains unclear what effect the cooler marine layer from Lake Michigan has on adjacent coastal areas, particularly into portions of western Michigan. However, Rapid Refresh forecast soundings, in particular, indicate a rather potent thermodynamic and kinematic environment supportive of strong tornadoes. This includes sizable CAPE, strong deep-layer shear and large clockwise-curved low-level hodographs. It is possible that severe weather probabilities could still be increased further in later outlooks for this period. ...Ohio Valley... To the south of the dry slot (within a plume of seasonably high precipitable water, and generally aligned with a belt of 40-70 kt west-southwesterly flow in the 850-500 mb layer), models indicate the potential for more widespread convection, organizing into clusters or lines while overspreading much of the Ohio Valley through the day. While lapse rates may not be particularly steep, given the strong flow, with at least modest CAPE and the increased potential for heavy precipitation loading and organizing convection, the environment probably will become conducive to damaging surface gusts, in addition to some risk for tornadoes. ...Lower Mississippi Valley... South of the Ohio Valley, weakening low-level flow seems likely to result in more limited severe weather potential as the cold front gradually stalls. While a corridor of sizable pre-frontal CAPE beneath strong deep-layer shear may provide a window for strong/severe storm development, this may be limited as convection tends to train above congealing outflow and/or the front. ..Kerr.. 04/04/2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahantango#1 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 37 this morning...a little colder than i was expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, mahantango#1 said: 37 this morning...a little colder than i was expecting. 49 Here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardstickgozinya Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I know I said the other day that youtube is a horrible place to get weather forecast. I have done a full 360 . Its the best place for a late nite weather forecast. What ever the hell she is saying is accurate enough as far as I'm concerned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Just now, Yardstickgozinya said: I know I said the other day that youtube is a horrible place to get weather forecast. I have done a full 360 . Its the best place for a late nite weather forecast. What ever the hell she is saying is accurate enough as far as I'm concerned. How do you walk in that thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardstickgozinya Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: How do you walk in that thing? Sitting on her shoulders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahantango#1 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: 49 Here wow, huge difference! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 44 here. 91 is the high in Austin where I’ll be this afternoon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawatch Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 48 degrees when I went to bed last night at 10:00. Currently 42 degrees. Supposed to hit 72 today. Might have to mow the high spots today. Grass is really greening up. Enjoy this nice day!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, mahantango#1 said: wow, huge difference! There is a pocket of 30's North and NW of Harrisburg. Some reports in the LSV are in the mid 50's! 54 just to my west. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I doubt Boston hits 60 this entire weekSent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Summer like "ring of fire" sets up over the East Coast in Mid-April on the GFS...after teasing some possible snow flakes on Easter. CMC teases someone hitting 90 on Wunderground later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jns2183 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Summer like "ring of fire" sets up over the East Coast in Mid-April on the GFS...after teasing some possible snow flakes on Easter. CMC teases someone hitting 90 on Wunderground later this week. Also .25" of rain the whole runSent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Jns2183 said: Also .25" of rain the whole run Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk Yea, the ring of fire is never good for rain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Chamber of Commerce day today - hard to order a day better than what's underway currently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 17 hours ago, canderson said: Wow! Rare for this region to get one that strong. Were you living in PA when this hit? https://www.tornadotalk.com/campbelltown-pa-f3-tornado-july-14-2004/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop_Mason Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Bubbler86 said: There is a pocket of 30's North and NW of Harrisburg. Some reports in the LSV are in the mid 50's! 54 just to my west. Can confirm. This morn I had 38 at house and by the time I got to Abottstown I hit 54 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: Were you living in PA when this hit? https://www.tornadotalk.com/campbelltown-pa-f3-tornado-july-14-2004/ Nope but I’ve heard about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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