SnoSki14 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 What a winter out west. Even as we enter April there's still strong troughs digging deep into CA. Incredibly persistent pattern. 30F this morning. Maybe 2-3 more freezes left and that's it until Oct/Nov. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 The last 2 days of March are averaging 42degs.(35/50) or -6. Month to date is 44.7[+2.3]. March should end at 44.5[+1.7]. Reached 55 here yesterday. Today: 44-48, wind nw.- breezy, m. sunny, 37 tomorrow AM. 31*(51%RH) here at 7am{was 47 at midnight}. 32* at 8:30am. 35* at 11am. 38* at 1pm. 40* at 2pm. 43* at 3pm. 46* at 4pm. 48* at 4:30pm. Reached 49* at 5pm. 44* at 8pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 what a beautiful day it is shaping out to be for late march baseball weather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, CIK62 said: The last 2 days of March are averaging 42degs.(35/50) or -6. Month to date is 44.7[+2.3]. March should end at 44.5[+1.7]. Reached 55 here yesterday. Today: 44-48, wind nw.- breezy, m. sunny, 37 tomorrow AM. 31*(51%RH) here at 7am{was 47 at midnight}. The last days of March keep trending colder than originally predicted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, nycwinter said: what a beautiful day it is shaping out to be for late march baseball weather... So ridiculous how early it starts now. People freezing in the stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, nycwinter said: what a beautiful day it is shaping out to be for late march baseball weather... Cold-only in the mid 40's with wind at least it's sunny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: Morning thoughts… Today will be partly sunny, blustery and unseasonably cold. High temperatures will reach the middle and upper 40s in most of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 52° Newark: 49° Philadelphia: 48° Tomorrow will turn milder but showers will likely arrive. Normals: New York City: 30-Year: 54.9°; 15-Year: 55.1° Newark: 30-Year: 55.8°; 15-Year: 56.6° Philadelphia: 30-Year: 58.0°; 15-Year: 58.7° Don are you confident about that 52 at Central Park?...I was thinking more like 46-47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 High of 53 yesterday, overnight low was 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: So ridiculous how early it starts now. People freezing in the stands Have to with the expanded playoffs. WS goes into Nov. Someday there will be a MINN-DEN WS that has multiple snowouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: Have to with the expanded playoffs. WS goes into Nov. Someday there will be a MINN-DEN WS that has multiple snowouts One day baseball will be like horse racing. Just remember when that happens, we watched the decisions that made it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: What a winter out west. Even as we enter April there's still strong troughs digging deep into CA. Incredibly persistent pattern. 30F this morning. Maybe 2-3 more freezes left and that's it until Oct/Nov. Super El Niño precipitation amounts with a strong La Niña -PDO and -PNA. Breaking 1983 super El Niño records for snowpack in Utah. Close to super El Niño 1973, 1983, 1998 rain in San Francisco. Almost a super -PNA pattern since December. Time Series Summary for SAN FRANCISCO DOWNTOWN, CAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Oct 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 1862-03-30 47.73 0 2 1890-03-30 43.33 3 3 1998-03-30 39.76 0 4 1868-03-30 36.23 0 5 1878-03-30 33.93 0 6 1973-03-30 33.67 0 7 1983-03-30 33.50 0 8 1850-03-30 32.64 0 9 2023-03-30 32.30 1 10 1867-03-30 32.15 0 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Snow showers and even a brief gusty snow squall around mid-night. Coated the grass / deck but just briefly. Entered into the record as a Trace. Last flakes of the season. Onward toward heat and humidity but hopefully no drought conditions for the Summer. El-Nino looks to kick into high gear per some of the guidance by late Summer and into the Fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Brian5671 said: Have to with the expanded playoffs. WS goes into Nov. Someday there will be a MINN-DEN WS that has multiple snowouts No they will move the world series to a neutral warm weather site, I see that happening in the next couple of decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Super El Niño precipitation amounts with a strong La Niña -PDO and -PNA. Breaking 1983 super El Niño records for snowpack in Utah. Close to super El Niño 1973, 1983, 1998 rain in San Francisco. Almost a super -PNA pattern since December. Time Series Summary for SAN FRANCISCO DOWNTOWN, CAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Oct 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 1862-03-30 47.73 0 2 1890-03-30 43.33 3 3 1998-03-30 39.76 0 4 1868-03-30 36.23 0 5 1878-03-30 33.93 0 6 1973-03-30 33.67 0 7 1983-03-30 33.50 0 8 1850-03-30 32.64 0 9 2023-03-30 32.30 1 10 1867-03-30 32.15 0 it makes you wonder what the pattern will actually be once there is an actual el nino, let alone a strong one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Brian5671 said: Cold-only in the mid 40's with wind at least it's sunny a bit better than opening day 1996 (although that was a lot of fun too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Don are you confident about that 52 at Central Park?...I was thinking more like 46-47. It should be 46. I thought I had typed in the correct value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: it makes you wonder what the pattern will actually be once there is an actual el nino, let alone a strong one. Yeah, the ENSO responses have been unusual recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravity Wave Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 I'm sure the ENSO responses will return to normal as soon as we have a winter with a strongly unfavorable ENSO state for Mid Atlantic snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 NYC is currently tied with 2012 for the warmest January 1st-March 30th period on record. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Jan 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 2023-03-30 43.1 1 - 2012-03-30 43.1 0 3 2020-03-30 42.4 0 4 1990-03-30 42.1 0 5 1998-03-30 41.7 0 6 2002-03-30 41.4 0 7 2016-03-30 40.2 0 8 1949-03-30 40.0 0 9 2006-03-30 39.8 0 - 1991-03-30 39.8 0 11 1953-03-30 39.7 0 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, TWCCraig said: NYC is currently tied with 2012 for the warmest January 1st-March 30th period on record. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Jan 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 2023-03-30 43.1 1 - 2012-03-30 43.1 0 3 2020-03-30 42.4 0 4 1990-03-30 42.1 0 5 1998-03-30 41.7 0 6 2002-03-30 41.4 0 7 2016-03-30 40.2 0 8 1949-03-30 40.0 0 9 2006-03-30 39.8 0 - 1991-03-30 39.8 0 11 1953-03-30 39.7 0 what year ended up the warmest overall? 2012 was pretty hot-- it was in that marvelous string of hot summers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastalplainsnowman Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Brian5671 said: Have to with the expanded playoffs. WS goes into Nov. Someday there will be a MINN-DEN WS that has multiple snowouts Interestingly enough, the Yankees could have probably hosted 81 games at the Stadium this winter with about the same amount of weather related cancellations as they do in a typical season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, TWCCraig said: NYC is currently tied with 2012 for the warmest January 1st-March 30th period on record. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Mean Avg Temperature Jan 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 2023-03-30 43.1 1 - 2012-03-30 43.1 0 3 2020-03-30 42.4 0 4 1990-03-30 42.1 0 5 1998-03-30 41.7 0 6 2002-03-30 41.4 0 7 2016-03-30 40.2 0 8 1949-03-30 40.0 0 9 2006-03-30 39.8 0 - 1991-03-30 39.8 0 11 1953-03-30 39.7 0 In this list, the years with scorching summers are 2012, 2002, 1991, 1953. 1953 had our longest heat wave on record (late August into September) with multiple days above 100 and the highest September temperature (102) on record. 1991 was the first year with 39 90+ days at NYC, that was tied 2 years later in 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, coastalplainsnowman said: Interestingly enough, the Yankees could have probably hosted 81 games at the Stadium this winter with about the same amount of weather related cancellations as they do in a typical season. Yep our winter was really like an extended autumn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 @bluewave posted this table: Time Series Summary for SAN FRANCISCO DOWNTOWN, CAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Oct 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 1862-03-30 47.73 0 2 1890-03-30 43.33 3 3 1998-03-30 39.76 0 4 1868-03-30 36.23 0 5 1878-03-30 33.93 0 6 1973-03-30 33.67 0 7 1983-03-30 33.50 0 8 1850-03-30 32.64 0 9 2023-03-30 32.30 1 10 1867-03-30 32.15 0 --------------------------------- I have some additional observations regarding this table of highest SF 10/1-3/31 precip amounts based on Eric Webb's ENSO tables that go back to 1850: - In addition to the super-strong El Niños of 1997-8, 1982-3, and 1972-3 being listed, there's also 1877-8 in there at #5. That's intuitive since it also was a super-strong El Niño, even stronger than the four since 1972-3 being that it peaked at +2.9. So, 4 of the wettest 7 were super-strong El Niños. - But 2023-4 wasn't the only La Niña in this top 10 wettest list. The 2nd wettest, 1889-90, was La Niña. Not just that it was La Niña, it dipped to -1.4 making it at the time the strongest La Niña since at least 1849-50 and significantly stronger than the current one. - Also, the 8th wettest (1849-50) was a La Niña that dipped to -1.2. - So, in addition to the intuitive four super-strong El Niños being in there, almost as many somewhat counterintuitive non-weak La Niñas (3) also made the top 10. --------------------- Eric Webb's ENSO tables (these go back to 1850): https://www.webberweather.com/ensemble-oceanic-nino-index.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 really does not feel cold in late march sun angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Star Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, nycwinter said: really does not feel cold in late march sun angle. It is breezy here in Linden, and you can definitely feel the chill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, GaWx said: posted this table: California getting close to surpassing the all -time snowpack record set during the 82-83 super El Niño. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, GaWx said: @bluewave posted this table: Time Series Summary for SAN FRANCISCO DOWNTOWN, CAClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Oct 1 to Mar 30 Missing Count 1 1862-03-30 47.73 0 2 1890-03-30 43.33 3 3 1998-03-30 39.76 0 4 1868-03-30 36.23 0 5 1878-03-30 33.93 0 6 1973-03-30 33.67 0 7 1983-03-30 33.50 0 8 1850-03-30 32.64 0 9 2023-03-30 32.30 1 10 1867-03-30 32.15 0 --------------------------------- I have some additional observations regarding this table of highest SF 10/1-3/31 precip amounts based on Eric Webb's ENSO tables that go back to 1850: - In addition to the super-strong El Niños of 1997-8, 1982-3, and 1972-3 being listed, there's also 1877-8 in there at #5. That's intuitive since it also was a super-strong El Niño, even stronger than the four since 1972-3 being that it peaked at +2.9. So, 4 of the wettest 7 were super-strong El Niños. - But 2023-4 wasn't the only La Niña in this top 10 wettest list. The 2nd wettest, 1889-90, was La Niña. Not just that it was La Niña, it dipped to -1.4 making it at the time the strongest La Niña since at least 1849-50 and significantly stronger than the current one. - Also, the 8th wettest (1849-50) was a La Niña that dipped to -1.2. - So, in addition to the intuitive four super-strong El Niños being in there, almost as many somewhat counterintuitive non-weak La Niñas (3) also made the top 10. --------------------- Eric Webb's ENSO tables (these go back to 1850): https://www.webberweather.com/ensemble-oceanic-nino-index.html Those Nina’s must have been way negative PNA ones like this season where the trough and storms were deep enough to slam into CA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Those Nina’s must have been way negative PNA ones like this season where the trough and storms were deep enough to slam into CA. Do you or does anyone else know where to find PNA or PDO data for individual months covering 1850-1899? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, GaWx said: Do you or does anyone else know where to find PNA or PDO data for individual months covering 1850-1899? Not me, if anyone would I’d say @bluewave or @donsutherland1 Thanks for compiling the data! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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