40/70 Benchmark Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Kev, compare yesterday's 12z to last night's 00z EPS mean...tough to miss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Glad we don’t live there. Not really sunny here, but temp up to 63 37F and overcast. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Kev, compare yesterday's 12z to last night's 00z EPS mean...tough to miss. Looked the same as did 6z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, dendrite said: 37F and overcast. lol We may as well tectonically split and drift 400 miles south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Looked the same as did 6z Well, maybe 06z came back..I didn't look. Just speaking of 00z. 00z was weaker than 12z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Glad we don’t live there. Not really sunny here, but temp up to 63 48 fog at the oyster farm in falmouth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: We may as well tectonically split and drift 400 miles south. Wolfie bitching about 51F and I don't think I've hit that in months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Well, maybe 06z came back..I didn't look. Just speaking of 00z. 00z was weaker than 12z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: 12z (top) looks more menacing to me than 00z (bottom). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sey-Mour Snow Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Well, maybe 06z came back..I didn't look. Just speaking of 00z. 00z was weaker than 12z. It did not 6z eps is weak sauce and SE of benchmark as well. 12z yesterday, 00z, then 6z.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, dendrite said: Wolfie bitching about 51F and I don't think I've hit that in months. It's chilly 51 with no sun. Went for a walk and I got cold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Shakin the pasties in our face That’s all we got since Electric Blue got shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Fading 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Man, hats off to the GEM..maybe it will sniff one out like it did in December with the bomb-fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 At last, we’ve got some sap to boil! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 SE Mass has not “done well” or gotten “lucky” since 2015. It’s been a sea of warmth with one or two good years mixed in. No winter enthusiast in SE Mass will look fondly over the 2016-2023 period, the 2008-2015 period was WAY better. Lets compare the 2: 2008-2015: 1 ratter (2011-2012) 2 epic winters (2010-2011, 2014-2015) 2 very good winters (2012-2013, 2013-2012 2 average winters (2008-2009, 2007-2008 1 below average winter (2009-2010) vs 2016-2023: 3 ratters (2015-2016, 2019-2020, 2022-2023) no epic winters (yuck) 1 very good winter (2017-2018) 2 average winters (2016-2017, 2021-2022) 2 below average winters (2020-2021, 2018-2019) So that is 4 above average winters, 2 average winters, and 2 below average winters for 2008-2015. I’d say we had a really nice run during that period, with plenty of severe blizzards and also it got….. cold. 2016-2023 on the other hand was historically bad for winter enthusiasts in SE Mass, with 5 below average winters, 2 average winters, and only 1 above average winter! If you strictly measure by seasonal snow totals it can be argued I’m being too harsh on the 2016-2023 period, but snowpack and cold matter as well when evaluating how “good” a winter has been as a winter enthusiast. The whole “We’ve been lucky in SE Mass the past several years” talk is complete nonsense. It’s been a historically unfavorable stretch for winter enthusiasts for all of SNE. Im all for embracing the weather we get, but the whole downplaying how unfavorable the past 7 winters has been from a winter enthusiast standpoint is very strange. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Shakin the pasties in our face 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, George001 said: SE Mass has not “done well” or gotten “lucky” since 2015. It’s been a sea of warmth with one or two good years mixed in. No winter enthusiast in SE Mass will look fondly over the 2016-2023 period, the 2008-2015 period was WAY better. Lets compare the 2: 2008-2015: 1 ratter (2011-2012) 2 epic winters (2010-2011, 2014-2015) 2 very good winters (2012-2013, 2013-2012 2 average winters (2008-2009, 2007-2008 1 below average winter (2009-2010) vs 2016-2023: 3 ratters (2015-2016, 2019-2020, 2022-2023) no epic winters (yuck) 1 very good winter (2017-2018) 2 average winters (2016-2017, 2021-2022) 2 below average winters (2020-2021, 2018-2019) So that is 4 above average winters, 2 average winters, and 2 below average winters for 2008-2015. I’d say we had a really nice run during that period, with plenty of severe blizzards and also it got….. cold. 2016-2023 on the other hand was historically bad for winter enthusiasts in SE Mass, with 5 below average winters, 2 average winters, and only 1 above average winter! If you strictly measure by seasonal snow totals it can be argued I’m being too harsh on the 2016-2023 period, but snowpack and cold matter as well when evaluating how “good” a winter has been as a winter enthusiast. The whole “We’ve been lucky in SE Mass the past several years” talk is complete nonsense. It’s been a historically unfavorable stretch for winter enthusiasts for all of SNE. Im all for embracing the weather we get, but the whole downplaying how unfavorable the past 7 winters has been from a winter enthusiast standpoint is very strange. Drunk. 15-16 was not a ratter. 16-17, was good. 17-18 was great, 18-19 was decent. 19-20 stunk but not necessarily ratter (less than 20"). 20-21 was decent. 21-22 good. We are talking snow, not temps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Fading Because one model which is notorious for being too far SE and OTS lost it on an op run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, George001 said: SE Mass has not “done well” or gotten “lucky” since 2015. It’s been a sea of warmth with one or two good years mixed in. No winter enthusiast in SE Mass will look fondly over the 2016-2023 period, the 2008-2015 period was WAY better. Lets compare the 2: 2008-2015: 1 ratter (2011-2012) 2 epic winters (2010-2011, 2014-2015) 2 very good winters (2012-2013, 2013-2012 2 average winters (2008-2009, 2007-2008 1 below average winter (2009-2010) vs 2016-2023: 3 ratters (2015-2016, 2019-2020, 2022-2023) no epic winters (yuck) 1 very good winter (2017-2018) 2 average winters (2016-2017, 2021-2022) 2 below average winters (2020-2021, 2018-2019) So that is 4 above average winters, 2 average winters, and 2 below average winters for 2008-2015. I’d say we had a really nice run during that period, with plenty of severe blizzards and also it got….. cold. 2016-2023 on the other hand was historically bad for winter enthusiasts in SE Mass, with 5 below average winters, 2 average winters, and only 1 above average winter! If you strictly measure by seasonal snow totals it can be argued I’m being too harsh on the 2016-2023 period, but snowpack and cold matter as well when evaluating how “good” a winter has been as a winter enthusiast. The whole “We’ve been lucky in SE Mass the past several years” talk is complete nonsense. It’s been a historically unfavorable stretch for winter enthusiasts for all of SNE. Im all for embracing the weather we get, but the whole downplaying how unfavorable the past 7 winters has been from a winter enthusiast standpoint is very strange. Yes, you have. You are wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Gorgeous 60.8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Yes, you have. You are wrong. Although we are due for colder winters, if one uses temps...more often than not it will weigh the season down. Winters on avg are warmer. I think most of us typically use snow as the main metric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, dendrite said: Wolfie bitching about 51F and I don't think I've hit that in months. It’s a cold damp 51 though with rain…but it beats 37 I’ll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Yes, you have. You are wrong. He threw in 2008-09 as “average” despite Logan being 50% above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, weathafella said: He threw in 2008-09 as “average” despite Logan being 50% above. 70 and change I had in DOT. LOL. Average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 How can you rate 07-08 and 08-09 the same category in BOS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: Yes, you have. You are wrong. I haven’t actually pulled the numbers yet, but I’d bet they will say my area has been both above average in temp and below average snow the past 7 years. I will acknowledge that we haven’t gotten boned AS much as your area and west of the river has, but it’s been a very tame stretch. If you want to actually quantify this to prove me wrong, how would calculating the snow for the last 7 years, and then comparing it to the previous 7 years, and then comparing it to the average 7 year span sound? That won’t be perfect (because my area is a bit more inland and SW) but close enough imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Drunk. 15-16 was not a ratter. 16-17, was good. 17-18 was great, 18-19 was decent. 19-20 stunk but not necessarily ratter (less than 20"). 20-21 was decent. 21-22 good. We are talking snow, not temps. Yeah I was gonna respond, but glad I saw you responded first....I'd agree we've been kind of "due" for one of those prolonged colder stretches (even within the realm background warming)....but the snow hasn't been absent at all from SE MA on the whole over the last 8 seasons. But we gotta flush the general trend of of all the cold dumping into the plains and rockies before we return to more prolonged colder stretches in winter. Hopefully next year does that in an El Nino. You can see how the previous winters of the 21st century differed from the most recent 8 winters.....look where the max warming is (in the east) with little change or even cooling in the N plains to N Rockies and Northwest...with a lot of cooling in the NAO region. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, weathafella said: He threw in 2008-09 as “average” despite Logan being 50% above. Im going to be honest, I didn’t actually dive into the numbers, was mostly going off memory (which can and did fail me for some of those earlier winters). I’ll dive into the numbers and update that earlier post with more accurate information. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 If you want to see how my comparison looks at H5, it's pretty much what you'd expect....all that -PNA troughing trend combined with a mostly more positive NAO (even with this winter included in the composite) compared to 2000-2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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