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Late February will be rocking. February Long range Discussion thread


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1 hour ago, CAPE said:

I am probably one of the few who want a cool Spring. I don't want to see an effing 80 till June. Hold off the inevitable tropical weather as long as possible. Last Spring/early Summer was probably as good as it gets around here these days.

@psuhoffmanRegarding tropical weather, maybe what we need is an active Atlantic hurricane season to stir up the SSTs in preparation for what could be a better ENSO/base state next season.

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Can we just package a p03 and p06 together and make everyone happy for once????

P23 and P29 would make most happy too.

Let us get ONE banger to end the winter. Give us an areawide 8-12” storm to get most areas up to about 30-40% of climo and let’s move the fuck on from this shitshow of a winter.


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18 minutes ago, Solution Man said:

2022-23 Winter in review

-10 days out 

- SER

- It’s gonna cut

- We know how this is gonna end

- Storm disappeared 

- Gotta get inside 5 days

- PBP despair

- No cold air

- Well that sucked

- I’ll take that and call it a winter

- We suck

- Avocados 

 

-Base State

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3 hours ago, 87storms said:

@psuhoffmanRegarding tropical weather, maybe what we need is an active Atlantic hurricane season to stir up the SSTs in preparation for what could be a better ENSO/base state next season.

No intent to derail the thread here. Feel free to move if not appropriate.

 

87storms, there are a couple of issues with this:

1) After a three year Niña, we’re almost certainly going to a Niño or at worst warm neutral ENSO for the coming hurricane season. Activity is a lot more complicated than strictly ENSO, but warm ENSO should dramatically reduce Atlantic tropical activity.

TlifECp.png

2) Even after historically active seasons in terms of absolute activity and tracks in the western Atlantic, it hasn’t done much to temper the anomalously warm SSTs in this part of the basin. You need a wholesale and persistent atmospheric change to reduce those anomalies. 

EN30RRu.png
 

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59 minutes ago, Solution Man said:

2022-23 Winter in review

-10 days out 

- SER

- It’s gonna cut

- We know how this is gonna end

- Storm disappeared 

- Gotta get inside 5 days

- PBP despair

- No cold air

- Well that sucked

- I’ll take that and call it a winter

- We suck

- Avocados 

 

I'd like a copyright on that last one--let that be my valuable contribution for this winter :lol:

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12 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

No intent to derail the thread here. Feel free to move if not appropriate.

 

87storms, there are a couple of issues with this:

1) After a three year Niña, we’re almost certainly going to a Niño or at worst warm neutral ENSO for the coming hurricane season. Activity is a lot more complicated than strictly ENSO, but warm ENSO should dramatically reduce Atlantic tropical activity.

TlifECp.png

2) Even after historically active seasons in terms of absolute activity and tracks in the western Atlantic, it hasn’t done much to temper the anomalously warm SSTs in this part of the basin. You need a wholesale and persistent atmospheric change to reduce those anomalies. 

EN30RRu.png
 

SlT42xf.png


mhkTXKF.png

Let me ask you this (and my apologies if this has been discussed already): Is the SER a direct result of these SSTs...or is that driven by something else? Someone answered earlier it was a nina thing, but given how strong it's been I was wondering if those warm waters were a cause.

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Man that last SST map really shows it - the North Atlantic is on fire.  Also, does it seem that the Gulf Stream might be weakening?  It seems that a lot of the really anomalous warm waters aren't necessarily making their way across the Atlantic and are instead saying close to our shores

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37 minutes ago, pazzo83 said:

Man that last SST map really shows it - the North Atlantic is on fire.  Also, does it seem that the Gulf Stream might be weakening?  It seems that a lot of the really anomalous warm waters aren't necessarily making their way across the Atlantic and are instead saying close to our shores

Gulf Stream is alive and well. If anything it is even displaced E based on historical configuration. The map posted prior that you are referencing are anomalies. Here are current sst for the N Atl and you can clearly see the Gulf Stream:

natlanti.cf.gif

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34 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Let me ask you this (and my apologies if this has been discussed already): Is the SER a direct result of these SSTs...or is that driven by something else? Someone answered earlier it was a nina thing, but given how strong it's been I was wondering if those warm waters were a cause.

I don’t think it is, but someone better versed with winter climo can answer that. I think generally because a niña tends to promote an amplified jet it leads to these periods of more intense blocking or troughing. 

32 minutes ago, pazzo83 said:

Man that last SST map really shows it - the North Atlantic is on fire.  Also, does it seem that the Gulf Stream might be weakening?  It seems that a lot of the really anomalous warm waters aren't necessarily making their way across the Atlantic and are instead saying close to our shores

I think it has seasonal variations but Ralph beat me to it.

Just now, Ralph Wiggum said:

Gulf Stream is alive and well. If anything it is even displaced E based on historical configuration. The map posted prior that you are referencing are anomalies. Here are current sst for the N Atl and you can clearly see the Gulf Stream:

natlanti.cf.gif

Thanks. 

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5 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Let me ask you this (and my apologies if this has been discussed already): Is the SER a direct result of these SSTs...or is that driven by something else? Someone answered earlier it was a nina thing, but given how strong it's been I was wondering if those warm waters were a cause.

the persistent Ninas help keep the western Atlantic warm in the same way that the insanely persistent +PNA/-EPO in 2013-2015 baked SSTs off the WC. generally the overall pattern drives the SSTs, but I'm sure there's a bit of a feedback loop going on right now that would break once a Nino forces a persistent SE trough

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