donsutherland1 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: it took some doing but we are close to matching 2001-02 for DJF temps, think we exceed it and set the new record, Don? The final winter average for 2001-02 was 41.6. We may fall short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just now, donsutherland1 said: The final winter average for 2001-02 was 41.6. We may fall short. Oh no, I guess it comes down to the last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: was Feb 1922 the three day snowstorm? that never happened again Dude my bad Feb. 19/20 1934 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Also in my response to Forky meant December 25-27 1947. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Thanks, I also noticed that this looks like the first time the PAC was Aleutian Ridge/RNA. As you alluded too likely caused by the IO warm pool correct? 2010 had a strong Aleutians ridge and even stronger more defined -PNA vortex. But we were able to get a 50/50 low to park over the Northeast. This time the 50/50 low got displaced too far southeast even with the much weaker -PNA this December. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Oh no, I guess it comes down to the last week? Yes. The last week of the month will be key. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, bluewave said: 2010 had a strong Aleutians ridge and even stronger more defined -PNA vortex. But we were able to get a 50/50 low to park over the Northeast. This time the 50/50 low got displaced too far southeast even with the much weaker -PNA this December. Thanks, may not have been a factor but the AO region looked better in 2010 as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Wasn't February 2021 a standard block (not south) or are you only alluding to December. Yes. The snowiest first week of the month was a more standard block. Even though we had a strong -PNA, the trough stayed over the Mid-Atlantic with the record snows. The more south based block in December favored areas west of NYC since the lows were too tucked in. I am thinking the early winter +PNA allowed the vortex near our area which helped it remain in place during the -PNA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Records: Record warmth one year ago today. Highs: EWR: 69 (2022) NYC: 68 (2022) LGA: 66 (1976) Lows: NYC: -5 (1896 EWR: 0 (1979) LGA: 2 (1979) Historical: 1894: According to Grazulis, an estimated F2 tornado hits 5 miles south of Warren, Arkansas. An older woman was killed in one of the small homes that were destroyed. In addition, fruit trees were ripped out and carried a half-mile. Another tornado, estimated F3, killed two people in Claiborne County, Louisiana. 1930 - Eureka, CA, reported an all-time record high of 85 degrees, a record which lasted until September of 1983. (The Weather Channel) 1936 - The temperature at McIntosh SD plunged to 58 degrees below zero to establish a state record. (David Ludlum) 1958 - The greatest snowstorm of the mid 20th century struck the northeastern U.S. The storm produced 30 inches of snow in interior New England, including more than 19 inches in 24 hours at the Boston Airport. The same storm produced up to three feet of snow in the Middle Atlantic Coast Region, with 14 inches at Washington D.C., and 15.5 inches at Baltimore MD. The storm resulted in 43 deaths and 500 million dollars damage over the Middle Atlantic Coast States. (David Ludlum) 1962: Very heavy snow of 20 to 30 inches fell across the southeastern half of South Dakota. One location had 44 inches of snowfall from the storm. Everything was shut down due to the storm, including roads, schools, and businesses. Some snowfall amounts included 10 inches at Bryant, 11 inches at Miller, 20 inches at Mitchell, 21 inches at Redfield, 23 inches at Huron, and 32 inches at Sioux Falls. 1973: Snow showers moved across southeast Texas, with most locations only reporting snow flurries. However, the Houston Intercontinental Airport measured 1.4 inches of snow. 1987 - A couple of winter storms, one off the Atlantic coast and another over the south central U.S., produced snow and ice from the Mississippi Valley to the Mid Atlantic Coast Region. Freezing rain produced a coat of ice three inches thick in northern South Carolina, and 30,000 homes around Pee Dee were left without electricity. Parts of south central Kentucky were without electricity for three days following the storm, which was their worst in 35 years. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Santa Ana winds in southern California gusted to 63 mph at Ontario. Heavy snow blanketed parts of Colorado, with 11 inches reported at Strontia. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Low pressure off the Washington coast produced more than a foot of snow in the Cascade Mountains, and more than three inches of rain along the Northern Pacific Coast. Spokane WA was blanketed with 13 inches of snow. Cold arctic air in the Upper Midwest produced all-time record high barometric pressure readings of 31.10 inches at Duluth MN, 31.09 inches at Minneapolis MN, and 31.21 inches at Bismarck ND. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - The biggest winter storm of the season hit the Pacific Coast Region. In northern California, snow fell along the coast, and two day totals in the mountains ranged up to 67 inches at Echo Summit. Snowfall totals in the mountains of southern California ranged up to 48 inches at Green Valley, with 46 inches reported at Big Bear. Up to two feet of snow blanketed the southern Cascade Mountains of Oregon, and 20 to 35 inches were reported in the northern Cascades of Oregon. Up to ten inches of snow blanketed Seattle WA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Once again like all season the northern stream Low dominates, brings in mid level warmth. Will only work if the air mass in place is cold/dense enough to start as snow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Way too early for me to be optimistic, but last night's Euro gave us snow next saturday and now GFS is doing the same. At least it appears that we have some cold air coming in the end of next week, so unlike all other events this winter maybe this one wouldn't be doomed to be too warm. Something to keep an eye on. A skeptical eye of course since nothing has worked out this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Once again like all season the northern stream Low dominates, brings in mid level warmth. Will only work if the air mass in place is cold/dense enough to start as snow. I see the CMC also brings in some snow for next saturday. Right now the models are saying it will be cold enough for some front end snow even south of NYC, but of course it's very early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Once again like all season the northern stream Low dominates, brings in mid level warmth. Will only work if the air mass in place is cold/dense enough to start as snow. Active times ahead and maybe snowy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 First appearance since pre December 15th. Typical La Nina 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, SACRUS said: Records: Record warmth one year ago today. Highs: EWR: 69 (2022) NYC: 68 (2022) LGA: 66 (1976) Lows: NYC: -5 (1896 EWR: 0 (1979) LGA: 2 (1979) Historical: 1894: According to Grazulis, an estimated F2 tornado hits 5 miles south of Warren, Arkansas. An older woman was killed in one of the small homes that were destroyed. In addition, fruit trees were ripped out and carried a half-mile. Another tornado, estimated F3, killed two people in Claiborne County, Louisiana. 1930 - Eureka, CA, reported an all-time record high of 85 degrees, a record which lasted until September of 1983. (The Weather Channel) 1936 - The temperature at McIntosh SD plunged to 58 degrees below zero to establish a state record. (David Ludlum) 1958 - The greatest snowstorm of the mid 20th century struck the northeastern U.S. The storm produced 30 inches of snow in interior New England, including more than 19 inches in 24 hours at the Boston Airport. The same storm produced up to three feet of snow in the Middle Atlantic Coast Region, with 14 inches at Washington D.C., and 15.5 inches at Baltimore MD. The storm resulted in 43 deaths and 500 million dollars damage over the Middle Atlantic Coast States. (David Ludlum) 1962: Very heavy snow of 20 to 30 inches fell across the southeastern half of South Dakota. One location had 44 inches of snowfall from the storm. Everything was shut down due to the storm, including roads, schools, and businesses. Some snowfall amounts included 10 inches at Bryant, 11 inches at Miller, 20 inches at Mitchell, 21 inches at Redfield, 23 inches at Huron, and 32 inches at Sioux Falls. 1973: Snow showers moved across southeast Texas, with most locations only reporting snow flurries. However, the Houston Intercontinental Airport measured 1.4 inches of snow. 1987 - A couple of winter storms, one off the Atlantic coast and another over the south central U.S., produced snow and ice from the Mississippi Valley to the Mid Atlantic Coast Region. Freezing rain produced a coat of ice three inches thick in northern South Carolina, and 30,000 homes around Pee Dee were left without electricity. Parts of south central Kentucky were without electricity for three days following the storm, which was their worst in 35 years. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Santa Ana winds in southern California gusted to 63 mph at Ontario. Heavy snow blanketed parts of Colorado, with 11 inches reported at Strontia. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Low pressure off the Washington coast produced more than a foot of snow in the Cascade Mountains, and more than three inches of rain along the Northern Pacific Coast. Spokane WA was blanketed with 13 inches of snow. Cold arctic air in the Upper Midwest produced all-time record high barometric pressure readings of 31.10 inches at Duluth MN, 31.09 inches at Minneapolis MN, and 31.21 inches at Bismarck ND. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - The biggest winter storm of the season hit the Pacific Coast Region. In northern California, snow fell along the coast, and two day totals in the mountains ranged up to 67 inches at Echo Summit. Snowfall totals in the mountains of southern California ranged up to 48 inches at Green Valley, with 46 inches reported at Big Bear. Up to two feet of snow blanketed the southern Cascade Mountains of Oregon, and 20 to 35 inches were reported in the northern Cascades of Oregon. Up to ten inches of snow blanketed Seattle WA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) wow those records are just from last year lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, SACRUS said: Records: Record warmth one year ago today. Highs: EWR: 69 (2022) NYC: 68 (2022) LGA: 66 (1976) Lows: NYC: -5 (1896 EWR: 0 (1979) LGA: 2 (1979) Historical: 1894: According to Grazulis, an estimated F2 tornado hits 5 miles south of Warren, Arkansas. An older woman was killed in one of the small homes that were destroyed. In addition, fruit trees were ripped out and carried a half-mile. Another tornado, estimated F3, killed two people in Claiborne County, Louisiana. 1930 - Eureka, CA, reported an all-time record high of 85 degrees, a record which lasted until September of 1983. (The Weather Channel) 1936 - The temperature at McIntosh SD plunged to 58 degrees below zero to establish a state record. (David Ludlum) 1958 - The greatest snowstorm of the mid 20th century struck the northeastern U.S. The storm produced 30 inches of snow in interior New England, including more than 19 inches in 24 hours at the Boston Airport. The same storm produced up to three feet of snow in the Middle Atlantic Coast Region, with 14 inches at Washington D.C., and 15.5 inches at Baltimore MD. The storm resulted in 43 deaths and 500 million dollars damage over the Middle Atlantic Coast States. (David Ludlum) 1962: Very heavy snow of 20 to 30 inches fell across the southeastern half of South Dakota. One location had 44 inches of snowfall from the storm. Everything was shut down due to the storm, including roads, schools, and businesses. Some snowfall amounts included 10 inches at Bryant, 11 inches at Miller, 20 inches at Mitchell, 21 inches at Redfield, 23 inches at Huron, and 32 inches at Sioux Falls. 1973: Snow showers moved across southeast Texas, with most locations only reporting snow flurries. However, the Houston Intercontinental Airport measured 1.4 inches of snow. 1987 - A couple of winter storms, one off the Atlantic coast and another over the south central U.S., produced snow and ice from the Mississippi Valley to the Mid Atlantic Coast Region. Freezing rain produced a coat of ice three inches thick in northern South Carolina, and 30,000 homes around Pee Dee were left without electricity. Parts of south central Kentucky were without electricity for three days following the storm, which was their worst in 35 years. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - Santa Ana winds in southern California gusted to 63 mph at Ontario. Heavy snow blanketed parts of Colorado, with 11 inches reported at Strontia. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Low pressure off the Washington coast produced more than a foot of snow in the Cascade Mountains, and more than three inches of rain along the Northern Pacific Coast. Spokane WA was blanketed with 13 inches of snow. Cold arctic air in the Upper Midwest produced all-time record high barometric pressure readings of 31.10 inches at Duluth MN, 31.09 inches at Minneapolis MN, and 31.21 inches at Bismarck ND. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - The biggest winter storm of the season hit the Pacific Coast Region. In northern California, snow fell along the coast, and two day totals in the mountains ranged up to 67 inches at Echo Summit. Snowfall totals in the mountains of southern California ranged up to 48 inches at Green Valley, with 46 inches reported at Big Bear. Up to two feet of snow blanketed the southern Cascade Mountains of Oregon, and 20 to 35 inches were reported in the northern Cascades of Oregon. Up to ten inches of snow blanketed Seattle WA. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1958 - The greatest snowstorm of the mid 20th century struck the northeastern U.S. The storm produced 30 inches of snow in interior New England, including more than 19 inches in 24 hours at the Boston Airport. The same storm produced up to three feet of snow in the Middle Atlantic Coast Region, with 14 inches at Washington D.C., and 15.5 inches at Baltimore MD. The storm resulted in 43 deaths and 500 million dollars damage over the Middle Atlantic Coast States. (David Ludlum) Was this the storm that dropped 30" at Babylon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin0529 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Active times ahead and maybe snowy? I wouldn't count on it. No cold air in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 If it snowed even 1/3 as much as it snows on the long term GFS we'd probably be above average snowfall by now. With that said I do think March could be a little more interesting but then theres a part of me that says we've seen this tease so many times in the long term medium range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Once again like all season the northern stream Low dominates, brings in mid level warmth. Will only work if the air mass in place is cold/dense enough to start as snow. A low north of the great lakes is usually not an indicator of snow here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterweatherlover Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Once again like all season the northern stream Low dominates, brings in mid level warmth. Will only work if the air mass in place is cold/dense enough to start as snow. Yea we've seen this all winter, models show front end snow, then northern stream gets stronger and stronger and ends up all rain. You also need actual cold air to get good front end snow opportunities, the boundary layer is always going to warm fast near the coast in these situations so without an artic airmass it's usually doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Winterweatherlover said: Yea we've seen this all winter, models show front end snow, then northern stream gets stronger and stronger and ends up all rain. You also need actual cold air to get good front end snow opportunities, the boundary layer is always going to warm fast near the coast in these situations so without an artic airmass it's usually doomed. These kinds of things usually trend north with time and New England does better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Once again like all season the northern stream Low dominates, brings in mid level warmth. Will only work if the air mass in place is cold/dense enough to start as snow.Congrats New England. We all know how this is going to trend over the next week. The PNA is dropping all the way to -5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 About 30 minutes ago I just randomly started thinking about pools and summertime and then a few minutes ago I saw several people in CT reporting a chlorine smell in the rain, I thought it was my imagination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJO812 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, Franklin0529 said: I wouldn't count on it. No cold air in place Uh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Congrats New England. We all know how this is going to trend over the next week. The PNA is dropping all the way to -5 PNA isn't a big factor in March with the shorter wavelengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: These kinds of things usually trend north with time and New England does better Not all patterns are the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: First appearance since pre December 15th. Typical La Nina Snowy March and crappy spring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin0529 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Uh When does a great lakes low Bring us snow?? Will most likely trend the same way has all sessoj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Not all patterns are the same at our latitude this is usually the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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