February 2023

[LibertyBell]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

It was their record. No reason that CPK cannot break their record..

NYC record is close to 80" I don't believe this can be done in a 6 week period, in a wall to wall winter, it's possible.  We would rather have a wall to wall anyway.

But we are completely ignoring what's happened to the climate, I hope you realize that.  It's like being on a completely different planet now, I would not be enthused about breaking those records, we need to be realistic.

 

[EastonSN+]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

Boston already had close to 100" in previous historic winters.

You really cannot compare Boston to New York, it's night and day.

 

Take a 95/96 setup again. Now let's do 2 things.

1. We snip off the November and April 8 inch total.

2. We add snow to the mid winter storms due to higher ocean temps and fuel.

With the above the record CAN be broken

[LibertyBell]

and RTD208 stop weenieing otherwise I'll go through all your posts and weenie every single one of them-- just watch.

[EastonSN+]

Just now, LibertyBell said:

NYC record is close to 80" I don't believe this can be done in a 6 week period, in a wall to wall winter, it's possible.  We would rather have a wall to wall anyway.

But we are completely ignoring what's happened to the climate, I hope you realize that.  It's like being on a completely different planet now, I would not be enthused about breaking those records, we need to be realistic.

 

See here is why we have to agree to disagree.

I do not buy into our climate completely changed after 2018.

I believe the warming is a steady progress.

We are nowhere close to calling 17/18, 13/14 extinct.

We will only find out with time.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

Take a 95/96 setup again. Now let's do 2 things.

1. We snip off the November and April 8 inch total.

2. We add snow to the mid winter storms due to higher ocean temps and fuel.

With the above the record CAN be broken

Let's see if we can ever get that kind of consistent pattern again.

I do think that record can be broken, in a wall to wall winter.

NYC only got 0.8" in April I believe, so that amount doesn't matter...JFK had about 5" that was a coastal event.

 

[SRRTA22]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

and RTD208 stop weenieing otherwise I'll go through all your posts and weenie every single one of them-- just watch.

And reply to them too

[LibertyBell]

Just now, EastonSN+ said:

See here is why we have to agree to disagree.

I do not buy into our climate completely changed after 2018.

I believe the warming is a steady progress.

We are nowhere close to calling 17/18, 13/14 extinct.

We will only find out with time.

Not extinct but not likely either.  I do think 95-96 can be broken but it won't be in a 6 week pattern, it will have to happen over a three month period.  

[LibertyBell]

Just now, SRRTA22 said:

And reply to them too

nah I dont like to pollute my mind with inferiority lol

 

[Rtd208]

7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

and RTD208 stop weenieing otherwise I'll go through all your posts and weenie every single one of them-- just watch.

Says the guy who can't even find the multi quote button on the forum. 

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, Rtd208 said:

Says the guy who can't even find the multi quote button on the forum. 

Yeah....you're not bright enough to realize I don't want to use it...especially when it comes to posting a dozen or more times in a row.

I just weenied 15 of your posts, looks like I'm not the only one weenieing you either.  Huge waste of time spending even a second on someone like you.

Got anything else to say "bro"?

 

[SACRUS]

 

Day light length at 10:30 hours about the same as Oct 30th.  Much more noticeable in the evening but the mornings rising before 7AM now too. 

[Rtd208]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

Yeah....you're not bright enough to realize I don't want to use it...especially when it comes to posting a dozen or more times in a row.

I just weenied 15 of your posts, looks like I'm not the only one weenieing you either.  Huge waste of time spending even a second on someone like you.

Got anything else to say "bro"?

 

[LibertyBell]

18 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Take a 95/96 setup again. Now let's do 2 things.

1. We snip off the November and April 8 inch total.

2. We add snow to the mid winter storms due to higher ocean temps and fuel.

With the above the record CAN be broken

Yeah that record can be broken I agree with that, just not in a 14-15 kind of set up here.  14-15 can get us to 50" just not the 80" we would need to get there.  Historically we need 3 really good  months so that's what I'm going to go with.  With three months of 20"+ or even two months of 20"+ plus two other pretty good months we can do it.  That basically gives us what we got in 95-96.....the only other thing we would need is to get rid of that nasty three week mild/rainy spell in the middle of January in 96.

Do you know what we would need to make that happen? Historically ENSO accounts for only about 20% of our winter weather....but where it seems to exert its greatest influence is la ninas that come after el ninos.

Note that 95-96, 10-11 and 17-18 were all la ninas.....

 

02-03 was our best el nino in recent times, we got almost 60" here.

 

 

[MJO812]

5 minutes ago, SACRUS said:

 

Day light length at 10:30 hours about the same as Oct 30th.  Much more noticeable in the evening but the mornings rising before 7AM now too. 

Sad times 

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Sad times 

meh if we get one 6 inch storm in March or even early April you'll have a more positive outlook and look forward to next winter.

At this point I think you'll even settle for a March 2001 redux lol.

 

[Rjay]

1 hour ago, Rtd208 said:

Says the guy who can't even find the multi quote button on the forum. 

[Rjay]

58 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yeah....you're not bright enough to realize I don't want to use it...especially when it comes to posting a dozen or more times in a row.

I just weenied 15 of your posts, looks like I'm not the only one weenieing you either.  Huge waste of time spending even a second on someone like you.

Got anything else to say "bro"?

 

[TugHillMatt]

[Yanksfan]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

meh if we get one 6 inch storm in March or even early April you'll have a more positive outlook and look forward to next winter.

At this point I think you'll even settle for a March 2001 redux lol.

 

This winter has been so wretched the only thing to save it would be the blizzard of 1888 redux.

[LibertyBell]

21 minutes ago, NutleyBlizzard said:

This winter has been so wretched the only thing to save it would be the blizzard of 1888 redux.

I love reading about that.  That was one of the most undermeasured HECS in the recorded history of NYC.  I think both March 1888 and January 1996 were significantly undermeasured here.  Probably February 1978 too.  And PD2 for NYC (JFK measured it better.)  There's probably a few from the 60s that make that list too (February 1961, February 1969.)  And my benchmark storm February 1983.  Very windy very long duration snowstorms are the hardest to measure.  

But back to March 1888 the sheer enormity of it and the totals reported from Brooklyn and Queens indicate to me that it was probably around 30" in NYC.  January 1996 was probably around 25-28"  PD2 probably around 20-22" at NYC and ditto for February 1983  .And keep in mind they only measured at the end of the storm back then.

 

[Yanksfan]

11 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I love reading about that.  That was one of the most undermeasured HECS in the recorded history of NYC.  I think both March 1888 and January 1996 were significantly undermeasured here.  Probably February 1978 too.  And PD2 for NYC (JFK measured it better.)  There's probably a few from the 60s that make that list too (February 1961, February 1969.)  And my benchmark storm February 1983.  Very windy very long duration snowstorms are the hardest to measure.  

But back to March 1888 the sheer enormity of it and the totals reported from Brooklyn and Queens indicate to me that it was probably around 30" in NYC.  January 1996 was probably around 25-28"  PD2 probably around 20-22" at NYC and ditto for February 1983  .And keep in mind they only measured at the end of the storm back then.

 

 

40+ amounts were common in the northern half of Jersey with 50 and 60 amounts as you got into NY state. If the first part of the storm didn’t start out as rain, they would have been much higher. Just an incredible storm. This board would crash if we ever tracked such an extreme event.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stormlover74]

2 minutes ago, NutleyBlizzard said:

 

40+ amounts were common in the northern half of Jersey with 50 and 60 amounts as you got into NY state. If the first part of the storm didn’t start out as rain, they would have been much higher. Just an incredible storm. This board would crash if we ever tracked such an extreme event.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The high end of what March 2001 was supposed to be. 

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, NutleyBlizzard said:

 

40+ amounts were common in the northern half of Jersey with 50 and 60 amounts as you got into NY state. If the first part of the storm didn’t start out as rain, they would have been much higher. Just an incredible storm. This board would crash if we ever tracked such an extreme event.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that was an all snow storm, it probably represents the ceiling or nearly the ceiling of what is possible here.

The other one is February 1922 (I hope I got the year right) that was our largest winter precipitation event, which had nearly 20 inches of snow even though half the storm was sleet and freezing rain.  I think it was around 5 inches of liquid equivalent.  Even with a simple 10:1 ratio that's 50 inches of snow right there.  Could be pushing 60 inches with air as cold as what we had in January 2016 here.

 

[LibertyBell]

The only time in my life where I thought a storm could pull off what those two storms did if it were all snow was December 1992.  You actually had to experience it to fully realize how much of a beast that storm was for three days.  If that storm had happened in February it may have topped all the other events we've talked about on this page.  We were in the mid to upper 30s with heavy rain and high hurricane force winds for 3 days...the snow was so close to us.  That would have been a 30-40 incher for sure if it had happened later in the season.

The entire coast and city were wrecked during that storm.  Regardless of how "great" the March 1993 "superstorm" was, the December 1992 meganoreaster was the real showstopper (and citystopper) of that season.

 

[bluewave]

3 hours ago, Allsnow said:

He means 13/14. That winter didn’t shut off until march when the tpv sat over Maine. A less suppressive pattern would have broken 95/96 

10-11 would have surpassed 95-96 if the snowy pattern lasted another 2-4 weeks. That was the last time we had a shot at surpassing 95-96. But it was also a cold winter. Places to our north and south set new snowiest records from 2010 to 2015. They were all colder winters than we have seen since then. The records were also set over shorter intervals than 95-96. So no new seasonal snowfall records have been set since the super El Niño in 15-16. Cold is necessary for both wall to wall  95-96 and 10-11 style short record snowfall burst winters.

 

Maximum 33-Day Total Snowfall 
for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Rank	Value	Ending Date	Missing Days
1	61.5	2011-01-27	0
2	53.6	2011-01-26	0
3	48.7	1978-02-14	0
4	45.7	1978-02-18	0
5	45.5	1961-02-16	0

Monthly Total Snowfall for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2014-2015	0.0	2.6	0.3	34.3	64.8	8.6	T	110.6
1995-1996	0.0	4.1	24.1	39.8	15.5	16.8	7.3	107.6
1993-1994	0.0	T	11.6	33.7	36.2	14.8	0.0	96.3
1947-1948	0.0	1.1	26.8	32.5	17.0	11.8	0.0	89.2
2004-2005	0.0	3.9	7.2	43.3	17.7	14.5	T	86.6

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
1995-1996	0.0	2.9	11.5	26.1	21.2	13.2	0.7	75.6
1947-1948	0.0	T	30.2	15.3	13.6	4.8	0.0	63.9
2010-2011	0.0	T	20.1	36.0	4.8	1.0	T	61.9
1922-1923	0.0	1.0	8.0	24.5	18.8	8.1	T	60.4
1872-1873	0.0	3.5	26.8	10.6	18.9	0.4	0.0	60.2

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for Philadelphia Area, PA (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2009-2010	0.0	0.0	24.1	3.1	51.5	T	0.0	78.7
2013-2014	0.0	T	11.2	25.9	22.4	8.5	T	68.0
1995-1996	0.0	1.9	7.3	33.8	12.9	7.2	2.4	65.5
1898-1899	0.0	13.4	0.3	5.8	31.5	4.4	T	55.4
1977-1978	0.0	0.2	0.2	23.4	19.0	12.1	T	54.9

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for Baltimore Area, MD (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2009-2010	0.0	0.0	20.1	6.9	50.0	T	0.0	77.0
1995-1996	0.0	1.0	2.3	32.6	19.0	7.6	0.0	62.5
2002-2003	0.0	0.0	9.7	5.3	40.5	2.6	T	58.1
1963-1964	0.0	T	9.7	10.3	18.2	13.2	0.4	51.8
1898-1899	0.0	9.7	0.6	5.3	33.9	1.6	T	51.1

[dWave]

Looks like most trees are budding now and some forsythia are blooming. The pink magnolia trees have large buds and look about ready to bloom too. I've seen early starts before but forsythia before Valentines day or the Super Bowl is a first. Besides the 36 hr cold snap I don't think I've had any period of several consecutive hrs below freezing since Dec. Looking at the early/mid Feb sun reflecting off the yellow flowers is relaxing and horrific at the same time lol.  A college trip to Buffalo was my only jarring taste of winter this season.

[LibertyBell]

28 minutes ago, bluewave said:

10-11 would have surpassed 95-96 if the snowy pattern lasted another 2-4 weeks. That was the last time we had a shot at surpassing 95-96. But it was also a cold winter. Places to our north and south set new snowiest records from 2010 to 2015. They were all colder winters than we have seen since then. The records were also set over shorter intervals than 95-96. So no new seasonal snowfall records have been set since the super El Niño in 15-16. Cold is necessary for both wall to wall  95-96 and 10-11 style short record snowfall burst winters.

 

Maximum 33-Day Total Snowfall 
for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
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Rank	Value	Ending Date	Missing Days
1	61.5	2011-01-27	0
2	53.6	2011-01-26	0
3	48.7	1978-02-14	0
4	45.7	1978-02-18	0
5	45.5	1961-02-16	0

Monthly Total Snowfall for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2014-2015	0.0	2.6	0.3	34.3	64.8	8.6	T	110.6
1995-1996	0.0	4.1	24.1	39.8	15.5	16.8	7.3	107.6
1993-1994	0.0	T	11.6	33.7	36.2	14.8	0.0	96.3
1947-1948	0.0	1.1	26.8	32.5	17.0	11.8	0.0	89.2
2004-2005	0.0	3.9	7.2	43.3	17.7	14.5	T	86.6

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
1995-1996	0.0	2.9	11.5	26.1	21.2	13.2	0.7	75.6
1947-1948	0.0	T	30.2	15.3	13.6	4.8	0.0	63.9
2010-2011	0.0	T	20.1	36.0	4.8	1.0	T	61.9
1922-1923	0.0	1.0	8.0	24.5	18.8	8.1	T	60.4
1872-1873	0.0	3.5	26.8	10.6	18.9	0.4	0.0	60.2

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for Philadelphia Area, PA (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2009-2010	0.0	0.0	24.1	3.1	51.5	T	0.0	78.7
2013-2014	0.0	T	11.2	25.9	22.4	8.5	T	68.0
1995-1996	0.0	1.9	7.3	33.8	12.9	7.2	2.4	65.5
1898-1899	0.0	13.4	0.3	5.8	31.5	4.4	T	55.4
1977-1978	0.0	0.2	0.2	23.4	19.0	12.1	T	54.9

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for Baltimore Area, MD (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2009-2010	0.0	0.0	20.1	6.9	50.0	T	0.0	77.0
1995-1996	0.0	1.0	2.3	32.6	19.0	7.6	0.0	62.5
2002-2003	0.0	0.0	9.7	5.3	40.5	2.6	T	58.1
1963-1964	0.0	T	9.7	10.3	18.2	13.2	0.4	51.8
1898-1899	0.0	9.7	0.6	5.3	33.9	1.6	T	51.1

This would also require record historic blocking.

Chris please include 02-03 and JFK in this too, that was our last wall to wall winter.

How did 2013-14 exceed 1995-96 at PHL? That winter had zero HECS...was it an inland winter much like 93-94?  Way more snow in PHL than we had here.

 

I see 1922-23 in that list for NYC, was Feb 1923 when we had that record wintry precip event?

[Brian5671]

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[Allsnow]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

10-11 would have surpassed 95-96 if the snowy pattern lasted another 2-4 weeks. That was the last time we had a shot at surpassing 95-96. But it was also a cold winter. Places to our north and south set new snowiest records from 2010 to 2015. They were all colder winters than we have seen since then. The records were also set over shorter intervals than 95-96. So no new seasonal snowfall records have been set since the super El Niño in 15-16. Cold is necessary for both wall to wall  95-96 and 10-11 style short record snowfall burst winters.

 

Maximum 33-Day Total Snowfall 
for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Rank	Value	Ending Date	Missing Days
1	61.5	2011-01-27	0
2	53.6	2011-01-26	0
3	48.7	1978-02-14	0
4	45.7	1978-02-18	0
5	45.5	1961-02-16	0

Monthly Total Snowfall for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2014-2015	0.0	2.6	0.3	34.3	64.8	8.6	T	110.6
1995-1996	0.0	4.1	24.1	39.8	15.5	16.8	7.3	107.6
1993-1994	0.0	T	11.6	33.7	36.2	14.8	0.0	96.3
1947-1948	0.0	1.1	26.8	32.5	17.0	11.8	0.0	89.2
2004-2005	0.0	3.9	7.2	43.3	17.7	14.5	T	86.6

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
1995-1996	0.0	2.9	11.5	26.1	21.2	13.2	0.7	75.6
1947-1948	0.0	T	30.2	15.3	13.6	4.8	0.0	63.9
2010-2011	0.0	T	20.1	36.0	4.8	1.0	T	61.9
1922-1923	0.0	1.0	8.0	24.5	18.8	8.1	T	60.4
1872-1873	0.0	3.5	26.8	10.6	18.9	0.4	0.0	60.2

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for Philadelphia Area, PA (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2009-2010	0.0	0.0	24.1	3.1	51.5	T	0.0	78.7
2013-2014	0.0	T	11.2	25.9	22.4	8.5	T	68.0
1995-1996	0.0	1.9	7.3	33.8	12.9	7.2	2.4	65.5
1898-1899	0.0	13.4	0.3	5.8	31.5	4.4	T	55.4
1977-1978	0.0	0.2	0.2	23.4	19.0	12.1	T	54.9

 

Monthly Total Snowfall for Baltimore Area, MD (ThreadEx)
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Year	Oct	Nov	Dec	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	Season
2009-2010	0.0	0.0	20.1	6.9	50.0	T	0.0	77.0
1995-1996	0.0	1.0	2.3	32.6	19.0	7.6	0.0	62.5
2002-2003	0.0	0.0	9.7	5.3	40.5	2.6	T	58.1
1963-1964	0.0	T	9.7	10.3	18.2	13.2	0.4	51.8
1898-1899	0.0	9.7	0.6	5.3	33.9	1.6	T	51.1

You don’t think 13/14 had a shot if march wasn’t so cold and dry? I feel like that was our last November to April winter with cold/snow throughout 

 

kphl had 68 in 13/14 

 

[EastonSN+]

12 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

You don’t think 13/14 had a shot if march wasn’t so cold and dry? I feel like that was our last November to April winter with cold/snow throughout 

 

kphl had 68 in 13/14 

 

I remember having 58 on the year in 13/14 with the GFS showing a 16 incher in 5 days followed by and 8 incher a week later and another storm queed up. 

Then it all went south (literally).

It 100% could have beaten 95/96.