the_other_guy Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, Gravity Wave said: You'd expect DC and Baltimore to warm by about as much though. This seems to be a continuation of the recent theme of the biggest warm departures being north of us, just in the winter rather than the summer. when I started flying, I used to look at the weather for the flights down south I was always amazed how old is frequently cooler at night in these marginal air masses in places like Raleigh and Washington Dulles, then in LaGuardia. And when you have a winter that basically, is a consistently marginal airmass, this is magnified. New York City is heavily influenced by its coastal location, its lack of any sort of elevation, it’s overpopulation, and extreme urban heat island. Even DC in Baltimore are somewhat removed from this. And it certainly helps at night. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 21 hours ago, JustinRP37 said: In a thirty year period the climate should be stable. If you look at the history of the planet yes climate changes over thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. Not within 30 years. Rapid climate change has only be seen a handful of times and that is still in a period of hundreds of years which tended to lead to mass extinction events. What we are seeing right now with the shifts is rapid. Meteorology is NOT a pseudoscience. It is a peer reviewed science. All science is inexact. We are actually very good a predicting climate in the long term. We are not great at predicting weather out more than 5 days in the future. That does not make it a pseudoscience. What does tend to happen is Twitter comes along and certain people who talk about cold and snow gain more followers and thus more prominence. Unfortunately many still cling to whatever met or model shows the most snow or cold then get mad when that doesn’t happen. I’m very nervous that people aren’t paying more attention to the subtle queues we are being given. Even in years where we had plentiful snowfall recently in most of them the days of snow cover was still below average. Last I looked at the data it was something like 2 out of the last 15 winters met the average number of days with snow cover over an inch. It isn’t always about the amount of snow but what about duration? I’m 37 years old and can tell you winter is our most changing season. Climate isn't pseudoscience but subjectively calling a 30 year period "normal"-- I don't find that to be scientific.....we should at least make that 60 years, which is how far back most of our major airport records go. I think 60 years would be better to use all the modern data we have available. I just don't like the use of "averages" at all.....to make it even more scientific we should use standard deviations and anything within 1 SD should be considered normal, rather than pick a specific single number. I don't know why something so complex as climate and weather is reduced down to a single number rather than using a range of values, which I find to be of more scientific value. There are other sciences that are far more exact than meteorology is....take astronomy for example. One of the reasons I love it is because its predictions are so exact going out thousands of years. You can count on that eclipse or occultation happening when it's supposed to. You don't see that kind of beautiful exact precision anywhere in meteorology or climate. I agree with you about mass extinction; we are in the middle of one right now. But its cause is more than just climate change, it's pesticides and horrible chemicals that companies are allowed to use which scientists have been warning against for decades that are destroying pollinators. These same companies were involved in making chemical weapons (Bayer, Dow, etc.), so we know their behavior is not altruistic, they want to maximize their profits and to hell with the environment and our health. There are also other issues like logging and exploitation and yes-- reaching the carrying capacity of the planet. All of these factor into the mass extinction that humanity has started. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event Research completed after the seminal 1982 paper (Sepkoski and Raup) has concluded that a sixth mass extinction event is ongoing due to human activities: 6. Holocene extinction currently ongoing. Extinctions have occurred at over 1000 times the background extinction rate since 1900, and the rate is increasing.[26][27][a] The mass extinction is a result of human activity,[29][30][31][32] driven by population growth and overconsumption of the earth's natural resources.[b] The 2019 global biodiversity assessment by IPBES asserts that out of an estimated 8 million species, 1 million plant and animal species are currently threatened with extinction.[34][35][36][37] In late 2021, WWF Germany suggested that over a million species could go extinct within a decade in the "largest mass extinction event since the end of the dinosaur age."[38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, the_other_guy said: when I started flying, I used to look at the weather for the flights down south I was always amazed how old is frequently cooler at night in these marginal air masses in places like Raleigh and Washington Dulles, then in LaGuardia. And when you have a winter that basically, is a consistently marginal airmass, this is magnified. New York City is heavily influenced by its coastal location, its lack of any sort of elevation, it’s overpopulation, and extreme urban heat island. Even DC in Baltimore are somewhat removed from this. And it certainly helps at night. overpopulation is also heavily involved in the current mass extinction event (see above) Maybe the plans to green the city by 30% will help improve UHI...it has major health implications. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Gravity Wave said: You'd expect DC and Baltimore to warm by about as much though. This seems to be a continuation of the recent theme of the biggest warm departures being north of us, just in the winter rather than the summer. That's normal though, the Arctic is warming most of all, so the highest deviations will always be to the north. Look at Vermont.... The heat is actually spreading north to south not south to north, in terms of deviations. The fire started in the attic (arctic lol) not the basement.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 21 hours ago, eduggs said: Maybe. I was just trying to point out the difference between atmospheric scientists, climatologists, hydrologists with graduate degrees, PhDs etc who do research vs. "weather forecasters" who tend not to utilize the scientific method as readily. Certainly there is overlap, but in a general sense there is a divide between the types who study meteorology in college vs. physics or chemistry. Yes...I was going to add this too.... people without college degrees should not be doing forecasts. "Weatherperson" shouldn't be a thing. After all do we let people without medical degrees make medical diagnoses? I guess we do, but they are more likely to be charlatans than anything else. A 4 year science degree should be a A REQUIREMENT for anything in STEM, including meteorology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 21 hours ago, JustinRP37 said: There are plenty of meteorologists with PhDs. Don’t confuse a media meteorologist with credentials. There are some TV meteorologists without and formal met training. There are also many with great credentials too. That's what I'm saying, we shouldn't allow "weatherpeople" to make forecasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 20 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: It will be mostly cloudy tonight. A few places could see a shower. The clouds and possible shower will be the result of a warm front's moving across the region. In the wake of the frontal passage, tomorrow will be noticeably milder. Generally above normal and much above normal temperatures will continue into at least early next week. During the February 10-11 period, there is a chance that a storm could bring some frozen precipitation to interior areas. Model uncertainty has decreased during the most recent cycles. The potential exists for temperatures to run generally above to much above normal through mid-month. Both the CFSv2 and EPS weeklies show much above normal temperatures through the second week of February. Afterward, temperatures could cool during the closing 7-10 days of the month. There is disagreement among the ensembles about whether it will turn colder for a sustained period or just briefly. In terms of ENSO, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly went positive for the week centered around February 1st. That is the first positive reading since a +0.2 anomaly during the week centered around October 6, 2021. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.1°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.5°C for the week centered around February 1. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.23°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.65°C. La Niña conditions are beginning to fade and they should evolve to neutral conditions during late winter or early spring. The SOI was +12.78 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +2.247 today. On February 5 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.800 (RMM). The February 4-adjusted amplitude was 1.674 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 80% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal February (1991-2020 normal). February will likely finish with a mean temperature near 39.0° (3.1° above normal). wow a +3.1 deviation prediction already with the first week barely over is a shocker....and I feel like this has a lot of upward mobility, the Feb avg could easily be 40.0 or even higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 9 hours ago, bluewave said: The 5 year snowfall average is under 20” at several locations since 2018-2019. The WPAC warm pool preventing the El Niño from coupling in 2018-2019 began this period. So a persistent La Niña background state has dominated most years. While long term averages at places like NYC are still in the 20s, these 5 year averages can be useful at detecting change points. If the current 5 year average represents a shift, then NYC 30 year average snowfall may eventually dip under 20” in the long range. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/csi-enso-case-missing-central-pacific-rainfall Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 1.3 2.6 4.2 6.2 2.7 T 16.4 2022-2023 0.0 0.0 T T 0.4 M M 0.4 2021-2022 0.0 T 0.2 15.3 2.0 0.4 0.0 17.9 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 10.5 2.1 26.0 T 0.0 38.6 2019-2020 0.0 0.0 2.5 2.3 T T T 4.8 2018-2019 0.0 6.4 T 1.1 2.6 10.4 0.0 20.5 Monthly Total Snowfall for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean T 1.3 3.3 4.3 7.6 2.7 T 18.6 2022-2023 0.0 T 0.1 T 0.3 M M 0.4 2021-2022 0.0 0.1 0.1 14.6 2.3 0.8 0.0 17.9 2020-2021 T 0.0 11.9 3.2 30.6 T 0.0 45.7 2019-2020 0.0 T 4.2 2.7 T T T 6.9 2018-2019 0.0 6.4 T 0.9 4.8 9.9 0.0 22.0 Monthly Total Snowfall for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean T 0.9 2.5 7.3 6.4 1.4 T 18.2 2022-2023 0.0 0.0 0.4 T 0.3 M M 0.7 2021-2022 0.0 T 0.3 31.8 3.3 1.6 0.0 37.0 2020-2021 T 0.0 7.5 1.1 24.9 T T 33.5 2019-2020 0.0 0.1 4.2 2.5 0.0 T T 6.8 2018-2019 0.0 4.3 T 0.9 3.5 4.1 T 12.8 Can you do one for JFK too please? With this said we must remember the 70s, 80s and 90s lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 8 hours ago, EastonSN+ said: Can't wait for this background state to change. Hope it does not have to wait until another super Nino to flip. I want a super el nino that lasts for a decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 8 hours ago, the_other_guy said: There is no cold air. The models were grasping onto a thread the needle scenario. CPK has a shot at seeing 32F briefly on Saturday night. This is like rooting for a snowstorm in April. So, we didnt miss out on anything. This was/is a Hail Mary when you are down by 14. I've seen a lot of Aprils that were colder than this, this is more like early May lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Allsnow said: Beautiful outside. Beats rain and 40’s everyday like January. Get out and enjoy! Next week looks warmer You're right, if it isn't going to snow I want warm and sunny and not humid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Volcanic Winter said: Had to run over to Bayonne and it feels much cooler than EWR. Haven’t checked temps or anything but noticeable difference in air feel, unless I’m mistaken. May be due to breeze? Feels windier here. breeze off the water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Stormlover74 said: A nasty cold spring awaits us not necessarily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 hours ago, the_other_guy said: You could want, but thats not how this works. You will likely have a cool, rainy/snowy, shitty March and April. That’s how this season ends… I'm hoping for 2002.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 hours ago, bkviking said: 2009-10 was perfect - winter in December , then one of biggest Februarys all time.. big , warm storm ~ March 7/8 then torch away into a perfect Spring and tons of 90s with much lower DewPoints than recent years . the perfect year the GOAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: Winter 2022-2023 is on course to rank among the five warmest winters on record in New York City: 2001-02 is just a cut above all the others, really loved that spring and summer too, hopefully we get that again and then something like 2002-03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Can you do one for JFK too please? With this said we must remember the 70s, 80s and 90s lol 15” average over the last 5 years. Little better than 97-02. Slightly lower than late 80s. Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 1.0 1.9 4.3 6.6 1.7 T 15.0 2022-2023 0.0 T T T 0.2 M M 0.2 2021-2022 0.0 T 0.2 17.8 3.2 0.5 0.0 21.7 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 7.2 0.9 26.4 T T 34.5 2019-2020 0.0 T 1.9 1.9 T T T 3.8 2018-2019 0.0 4.8 T 0.7 3.1 6.1 0.0 14.7 Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean T T 2.5 4.7 2.7 2.7 0.5 13.0 2001-2002 0.0 0.0 T 4.1 0.3 0.1 T 4.5 2000-2001 T T 11.9 8.2 7.9 5.8 T 33.8 1999-2000 0.0 T 0.1 8.5 3.3 0.7 1.5 14.1 1998-1999 0.0 0.0 2.3 3.7 1.7 4.6 0.0 12.3 1997-1998 0.0 T 0.6 0.1 T 2.9 T 3.6 1996-1997 0.0 T T 3.4 3.1 1.8 1.5 9.8 Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 0.9 1.7 7.3 4.7 1.3 0.1 16.0 1989-1990 0.0 3.7 0.8 1.4 1.3 1.9 0.5 9.6 1988-1989 0.0 0.0 0.7 4.7 0.1 2.7 0.0 8.2 1987-1988 0.0 0.4 3.0 15.7 0.5 0.1 0.0 19.7 1986-1987 0.0 0.4 1.0 11.8 7.9 2.0 0.0 23.1 1985-1986 0.0 T 2.8 3.0 13.5 T T 19.3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, bluewave said: 15” average over the last 5 years. Little better than 97-02. Slightly lower than late 80s. Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 1.0 1.9 4.3 6.6 1.7 T 15.0 2022-2023 0.0 T T T 0.2 M M 0.2 2021-2022 0.0 T 0.2 17.8 3.2 0.5 0.0 21.7 2020-2021 0.0 0.0 7.2 0.9 26.4 T T 34.5 2019-2020 0.0 T 1.9 1.9 T T T 3.8 2018-2019 0.0 4.8 T 0.7 3.1 6.1 0.0 14.7 Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean T T 2.5 4.7 2.7 2.7 0.5 13.0 2001-2002 0.0 0.0 T 4.1 0.3 0.1 T 4.5 2000-2001 T T 11.9 8.2 7.9 5.8 T 33.8 1999-2000 0.0 T 0.1 8.5 3.3 0.7 1.5 14.1 1998-1999 0.0 0.0 2.3 3.7 1.7 4.6 0.0 12.3 1997-1998 0.0 T 0.6 0.1 T 2.9 T 3.6 1996-1997 0.0 T T 3.4 3.1 1.8 1.5 9.8 Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 0.9 1.7 7.3 4.7 1.3 0.1 16.0 1989-1990 0.0 3.7 0.8 1.4 1.3 1.9 0.5 9.6 1988-1989 0.0 0.0 0.7 4.7 0.1 2.7 0.0 8.2 1987-1988 0.0 0.4 3.0 15.7 0.5 0.1 0.0 19.7 1986-1987 0.0 0.4 1.0 11.8 7.9 2.0 0.0 23.1 1985-1986 0.0 T 2.8 3.0 13.5 T T 19.3 Thanks Chris-- how was it specifically between 1987-88 and 1991-92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Is it time to talk about sun angle yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Tomorrow will be mostly cloudy. Some rain is possible. The temperature will slowly rise through the 40s during the day and into the 50s during the evening. The temperature could spike into the upper 50s and perhaps even the lower 60s on Friday before cooler air returns. A storm passing well to the south of the region could bring rain and wind to the coastal plain with a small chance of some frozen precipitation in the interior Sunday into Monday. Afterward, much milder air will return to the region. The potential exists for temperatures to run generally above to much above normal through mid-month. Both the CFSv2 and EPS weeklies show much above normal temperatures through the second week of February. Afterward, temperatures could cool during the closing 7-10 days of the month. There is disagreement among the ensembles about whether it will turn colder for a sustained period or just briefly, as well as with regard to the magnitude of the cold. In terms of ENSO, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly went positive for the week centered around February 1st. That is the first positive reading since a +0.2 anomaly during the week centered around October 6, 2021. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.1°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.5°C for the week centered around February 1. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.23°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.65°C. La Niña conditions are beginning to fade and they should evolve to neutral conditions during late winter or early spring. The SOI was +16.91 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +2.647 today. On February 6 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.829 (RMM). The February 5-adjusted amplitude was 1.804 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 78% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal February (1991-2020 normal). February will likely finish with a mean temperature near 39.0° (3.1° above normal). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes...I was going to add this too.... people without college degrees should not be doing forecasts. "Weatherperson" shouldn't be a thing. After all do we let people without medical degrees make medical diagnoses? I guess we do, but they are more likely to be charlatans than anything else. A 4 year science degree should be a A REQUIREMENT for anything in STEM, including meteorology. Yes, we do let people without medical degrees make diagnoses, and have done so for a long time. NPs, PAs, and even MSW's can make diagnoses. An MSW, LPC, PsyD, LMFT, can make psychiatric diagnoses, and file an insurance claim. Oral surgeons and dentists can diagnoses oral diseases as well. Optometrists can diagnose eye diseases. Chiropractors make diagnoses, but then we really are talking pseudoscience...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, weatherpruf said: Yes, we do let people without medical degrees make diagnoses, and have done so for a long time. NPs, PAs, and even MSW's can make diagnoses. An MSW, LPC, PsyD, LMFT, can make psychiatric diagnoses, and file an insurance claim. Oral surgeons and dentists can diagnoses oral diseases as well. Optometrists can diagnose eye diseases. Chiropractors make diagnoses, but then we really are talking pseudoscience...... That's still a science degree though, there's a difference between that and some 19 yr old on Twitter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 51 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: wow a +3.1 deviation prediction already with the first week barely over is a shocker....and I feel like this has a lot of upward mobility, the Feb avg could easily be 40.0 or even higher It wouldn’t take too much to get to 40. If the CFSv2 is reasonably accurate, we would get there. But skill is low beyond 2 weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Thanks Chris-- how was it specifically between 1987-88 and 1991-92 13.7” Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1991-1992 0.0 T 0.9 1.9 0.8 6.9 T 10.5 1990-1991 0.0 0.0 6.1 5.7 7.9 0.7 0.0 20.4 1989-1990 0.0 3.7 0.8 1.4 1.3 1.9 0.5 9.6 1988-1989 0.0 0.0 0.7 4.7 0.1 2.7 0.0 8.2 1987-1988 0.0 0.4 3.0 15.7 0.5 0.1 0.0 19.7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 minute ago, bluewave said: 13.7” Monthly Total Snowfall for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season 1991-1992 0.0 T 0.9 1.9 0.8 6.9 T 10.5 1990-1991 0.0 0.0 6.1 5.7 7.9 0.7 0.0 20.4 1989-1990 0.0 3.7 0.8 1.4 1.3 1.9 0.5 9.6 1988-1989 0.0 0.0 0.7 4.7 0.1 2.7 0.0 8.2 1987-1988 0.0 0.4 3.0 15.7 0.5 0.1 0.0 19.7 How many times have we had back to back years with less than 10"? May have implications for next season lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: How many times have we had back to back years with less than 10"? May have implications for next season lol Twice. 88-89 to 89-90 and 97-98. Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Season Total Snowfall Missing Count 1 2022-2023 0.2 235 2 1972-1973 1.6 0 3 1997-1998 3.6 0 4 2011-2012 3.7 0 5 2019-2020 3.8 0 6 2001-2002 4.5 0 7 1994-1995 7.9 0 8 1988-1989 8.2 0 9 2006-2007 8.5 0 10 1989-1990 9.6 0 11 1996-1997 9.8 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, bluewave said: Twice. 88-89 to 89-90 and 97-98. Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Season Total Snowfall Missing Count 1 2022-2023 0.2 235 2 1972-1973 1.6 0 3 1997-1998 3.6 0 4 2011-2012 3.7 0 5 2019-2020 3.8 0 6 2001-2002 4.5 0 7 1994-1995 7.9 0 8 1988-1989 8.2 0 9 2006-2007 8.5 0 10 1989-1990 9.6 0 11 1996-1997 9.8 0 It's so amazing to have so many years in the last 35 under 10" snowfall. Beginning in 1988-89 we have 10 out of 35 years with less than 10" of snow. I bet that's more than the number of years we have 40" or more. It's actually close to 30" or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Bring on the warmth! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: It's so amazing to have so many years in the last 35 under 10" snowfall. Beginning in 1988-89 we have 10 out of 35 years with less than 10" of snow. I bet that's more than the number of years we have 40" or more. It's actually close to 30" or more. Only 3 seasons in the last 30 years with a seasonal snowfall in the 20s vs 12 for previous 30. The the mid-range has been missing as the high and low extremes increase. So you have a high success rate if your seasonal forecasts avoid a seasonal forecast in the 20s. But the trick is knowing ahead of time if it’s under 20” or over 30”. We’ll know before this decade is out if the warming of the climate and La Niña WPAC warm pool results in under 20” or even 10” some years becoming the new normal. Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Season Total Snowfall Missing Count 1 2022-2023 0.2 235 2 2021-2022 21.7 0 3 2020-2021 34.5 0 4 2019-2020 3.8 0 5 2018-2019 14.7 0 6 2017-2018 35.5 0 7 2016-2017 30.9 0 8 2015-2016 41.4 0 9 2014-2015 44.2 0 10 2013-2014 45.6 0 11 2012-2013 17.6 0 12 2011-2012 3.7 0 13 2010-2011 42.0 0 14 2009-2010 47.2 0 15 2008-2009 22.3 0 16 2007-2008 11.7 0 17 2006-2007 8.5 0 18 2005-2006 25.4 0 19 2004-2005 36.8 0 20 2003-2004 37.6 0 21 2002-2003 56.2 0 22 2001-2002 4.5 0 23 2000-2001 33.8 0 24 1999-2000 14.1 0 25 1998-1999 12.3 0 26 1997-1998 3.6 0 27 1996-1997 9.8 0 28 1995-1996 69.0 0 29 1994-1995 7.9 0 30 1993-1994 45.2 0 Time Series Summary for JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NY - Oct through SepClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Season Total Snowfall Missing Count 1992-1993 20.0 0 1991-1992 10.5 0 1990-1991 20.4 0 1989-1990 9.6 0 1988-1989 8.2 0 1987-1988 19.7 0 1986-1987 23.1 0 1985-1986 19.3 0 1984-1985 27.3 0 1983-1984 22.0 0 1982-1983 32.1 0 1981-1982 24.9 0 1980-1981 16.5 0 1979-1980 11.0 0 1978-1979 27.2 0 1977-1978 48.5 0 1976-1977 22.7 0 1975-1976 20.7 0 1974-1975 10.5 0 1973-1974 21.8 0 1972-1973 1.6 0 1971-1972 14.9 0 1970-1971 20.1 0 1969-1970 19.5 0 1968-1969 30.8 0 1967-1968 17.4 0 1966-1967 47.0 0 1965-1966 15.6 0 1964-1965 29.5 0 1963-1964 34.4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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