CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, bluewave said: The core of the cold in 1994 missed to our west. PA READING 4 NNW COOP -20 PA HAMBURG COOP -19 PA SPRINGTOWN 1 NNE COOP -18 NJ LONG VALLEY COOP -18 PA GRATERFORD 1 E COOP -17 NJ BELVIDERE BRIDGE COOP -17 PA ALLENTOWN LEHIGH VALLEY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN -15 NJ FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP -14 NJ BOONTON 1 SE COOP -13 PA HOPEWELL MORGANTOWN COOP -12 PA COATESVILLE 2 W COOP -11 NJ SOMERVILLE 4 NW COOP -11 NJ SUSSEX 8 NNW COOP -11 NJ LAMBERTVILLE COOP -10 It was also due north, northwest of NYC. If you check those mornings, Newburgh was -18, Poughkeepsie was -19, I was -23 in Orange County Highland Mills, still the coldest temperature I've ever been outside in my lifetime anywhere. I didn't check but I remember Albany being around -26? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, MANDA said: Few maps / data for min temperatures from this morning. I see a -1 labeled for eastern Long Island, is that in Southold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: It was also due north, northwest of NYC. If you check those mornings, Newburgh was -18, Poughkeepsie was -19, I was -23 in Orange County Highland Mills, still the coldest temperature I've ever been outside in my lifetime anywhere. I didn't check but I remember Albany being around -26? Allentown at -15 woah, the Poconos must've been like -25 or -30. 1994 was also Allentown's snowiest winter on record. The cold and snow that winter was somewhat well predicted after how historically hot summer 1993 was (still had the greatest heatwave I've ever seen-- 10 straight days of 90+, three straight days of 100+ at NYC and 5 straight days of 100+ at Newark with 9 days of 100+ overall!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: It was also due north, northwest of NYC. If you check those mornings, Newburgh was -18, Poughkeepsie was -19, I was -23 in Orange County Highland Mills, still the coldest temperature I've ever been outside in my lifetime anywhere. I didn't check but I remember Albany being around -26? Yeah, 1994 was the last -20° in Albany and Poughkeepsie along with Eastern PA. Time Series Summary for Albany Area, NY (ThreadEx) - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1971 -28 0 2 1968 -26 0 - 1948 -26 0 3 1970 -24 0 - 1957 -24 0 - 1904 -24 0 4 1994 -23 0 5 1969 -22 0 - 1943 -22 0 6 1973 -21 0 - 1933 -21 0 7 1984 -20 0 - 1980 -20 0 - 1950 -20 0 - 1934 -20 0 - 1920 -20 0 Time Series Summary for Poughkeepsie Area, NY (ThreadEx) - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1961 -30 1 2 1967 -23 0 - 1950 -23 2 4 1954 -22 0 5 1994 -20 29 - 1981 -20 8 - 1968 -20 0 Time Series Summary for Reading Area, PA (ThreadEx) - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1994 -20 8 2 1912 -14 0 3 1899 -13 0 4 1984 -12 15 5 1934 -11 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: I see a -1 labeled for eastern Long Island, is that in Southold? Yes it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 From 4 to 19 now, could see some near / record highs Thu/Fri this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Gotta be one of the worst winters in memory. Useless cold for one day and no snow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Just pulled out the records. in 2016 I hit -1 1/8/2018 I hit -4 1/31/2019 hit 2 2021 we got to 5. 1/31/2022 hit 2 so todays 2 is on par with the average coldest days of the year at my location. Nothing out of the ordinary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: It didn't even get below 20 in Boston in January, that has to be a record. It was their warmest also. So the -10 in February is a big mismatch. They got down to -10 in February 1918 also. But -3 that January instead of just 23°. Monthly Lowest Min Temperature for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Dec Jan Feb Season 2022-2023 11 23 -10 -10 2001-2002 23 22 13 13 1931-1932 14 18 11 11 1952-1953 9 15 10 9 1936-1937 10 15 10 10 2019-2020 15 14 12 12 1989-1990 4 14 3 3 Monthly Lowest Min Temperature for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Dec Jan Feb Season 1933-1934 -17 -2 -18 -18 1942-1943 -11 3 -14 -14 1913-1914 18 -9 -11 -11 1895-1896 8 -10 -11 -11 1917-1918 -14 -3 -10 -14 2022-2023 24 8 -10 -9 1917-1918 -14 -3 -10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Still some snow in the back yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 The 12z Euro and NAM from yesterday came the closest to the 3° low in NYC. The HRRR was too cold while the GFS and CMC were too warm. The Euro usually corrects its longer range cold bias in these situations beyond 120 hrs once within a few days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 This sudden obsession with surface temperatures reminds me of weather enthusiast discussions in Europe, particular England. When there's not much else of interest to discuss, this is what happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, eduggs said: This sudden obsession with surface temperatures reminds me of weather enthusiast discussions in Europe, particular England. When there's not much else of interest to discuss, this is what happens. Any time a large chunk of our subforum gets near zero there's interest. Plus the winds were really cranking last night. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 A number of homeless walking in the mall this morning. Good thing this one is open at 5 am. Couple of local gyms inside so they open the doors. Allows me to get in a walk in bad weather. Man, it was frigid. My sinuses stung. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Snow Less or Clue Less? It snowed on Jan. 18, 1998 (0.5") but not again for 63 days---March 22(5.0"). This time we would be in April. Sounds about right. Captain Reno has no map. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 It insane how nothing is going right this winter. We can't even muster up a snow to rain event which usually occurs in bad winters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Right now it looks like more of the same for next weekend. SLP into the Lakes inundates the northeast with warmth at all levels. Shortwave energy further south lags behind and dampens leading to weak and late transfer and more of a frontal passage scenario for any trailing impulse. Snow is confined to northern regions, particularly the far NE. Variability of ensembles giving me some pause, but the OP trend looks pretty clear to me. We really needed that initial s/w to hit a wall and get shunted east, pushing the baroclinic zone further southeast. That does not appear to be happening. So unless the follow-up wave digs to the GOM, we're in trouble. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, MJO812 said: It insane how nothing is going right this winter. We can't even muster up a snow to rain event which usually occurs in bad winters. I have higher confidence in a late season event. There's support for a favorable late winter period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 With single-digit days becoming increasingly uncommon in New York City, the average interval between the first and last such day during a season has declined. Winter 2022-23's interval of 43 days (assuming today will be the last such day this season) is the largest since Winter 2014-15 when the interval was 48 days. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 It insane how nothing is going right this winter. We can't even muster up a snow to rain event which usually occurs in bad winters.I just had one last week . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, SnoSki14 said: I have higher confidence in a late season event. There's support for a favorable late winter period. March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Allentown at -15 woah, the Poconos must've been like -25 or -30. 1994 was also Allentown's snowiest winter on record. The cold and snow that winter was somewhat well predicted after how historically hot summer 1993 was (still had the greatest heatwave I've ever seen-- 10 straight days of 90+, three straight days of 100+ at NYC and 5 straight days of 100+ at Newark with 9 days of 100+ overall!) Some town in northwest jersey hit either -32 or -34 during that 1994 outbreak. I can’t remember if it was Sparta? It either set the state record or tied it. Throw that into all of the -20 in parts of the lower and mid Hudson valley. That was Definitely the most impressive in these parts since January 1961. . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: Some town in northwest jersey hit either -32 or -34 during that 1994 outbreak. I can’t remember if it was Sparta? It either set the state record or tied it. Throw that into all of the -20 in parts of the lower and mid Hudson valley. That was Definitely the most impressive in these parts since January 1961. . The closest that I could find was Sussex approaching -30 on 3 days in late January 1994 which was their coldest on record. That was the last of the historic Arctic outbreaks to affect our area. The big ones in recent years missed to our west like in 2021 and 2019. https://www.wunderground.com/article/storms/winter/news/2022-12-16-most-extreme-arctic-outbreaks-us Data for SUSSEX 1 NW, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Min Temperature 1994-01-20 -16 1994-01-21 -29 1994-01-22 -28 1994-01-23 4 1994-01-24 M 1994-01-25 30 1994-01-26 9 1994-01-27 -15 1994-01-28 -15 1994-01-29 -28 1994-01-30 19 1994-01-31 5 Time Series Summary for SUSSEX 1 NW, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1994 -29 137 2 1961 -25 1 3 1912 -24 9 4 1967 -23 6 5 1981 -22 1 - 1968 -22 40 6 1984 -21 9 7 1948 -20 3 - 1943 -20 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Rjay said: Any time a large chunk of our subforum gets near zero there's interest. Plus the winds were really cranking last night. I flew into LGA last night. Needless to say it was frightening-we had to abort one landing and the 2nd was an armrest gripper. Scary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intensewind002 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Went down to 3 for the low here, coldest since I hit 1 on Jan 31, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: I flew into LGA last night. Needless to say it was frightening-we had to abort one landing and the 2nd was an armrest gripper. Scary. Gusts in excess of 50 and 60 mph across the area. https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSOKX&e=202302041149 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, bluewave said: The closest that I could find was Sussex approaching -30 on 3 days in late January 1994 which was their coldest on record. That was the last of the historic Arctic outbreaks to affect our area. The big ones in recent years missed to our west like in 2021 and 2019. https://www.wunderground.com/article/storms/winter/news/2022-12-16-most-extreme-arctic-outbreaks-us Data for SUSSEX 1 NW, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Min Temperature 1994-01-20 -16 1994-01-21 -29 1994-01-22 -28 1994-01-23 4 1994-01-24 M 1994-01-25 30 1994-01-26 9 1994-01-27 -15 1994-01-28 -15 1994-01-29 -28 1994-01-30 19 1994-01-31 5 Time Series Summary for SUSSEX 1 NW, NJ - Jan through DecClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Lowest Min Temperature Missing Count 1 1994 -29 137 2 1961 -25 1 3 1912 -24 9 4 1967 -23 6 5 1981 -22 1 - 1968 -22 40 6 1984 -21 9 7 1948 -20 3 - 1943 -20 7 Wow, that's amazing! I think that was the coldest for the Poconos too (MPO/ABE). Add that it was a historic snowfall season for that region too. So for that area, this outbreak was colder than either Jan 1977 or Jan 1985? Snowcover must have been part of why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, Intensewind002 said: Went down to 3 for the low here, coldest since I hit 1 on Jan 31, 2019 That was the night of the total lunar eclipse when our power went out for 2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 2 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: With single-digit days becoming increasingly uncommon in New York City, the average interval between the first and last such day during a season has declined. Winter 2022-23's interval of 43 days (assuming today will be the last such day this season) is the largest since Winter 2014-15 when the interval was 48 days. Don do you think we could have another single digit day towards the later part of February? We had one in 2015 on the last day of the month (almost March). It must have been decades since we've had a single digit low in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Rjay said: Any time a large chunk of our subforum gets near zero there's interest. Plus the winds were really cranking last night. Near 0 or Near 100. I remember this forum was very active in July 2010 and July 2011 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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