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2023 Short/Medium Range Severe Weather Discussion


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The trajectory of this event is looking questionable to say the least.  Mentioned the ample insolation earlier.  I think it may have actually been a little too much of a good thing, because it has contributed to dews mixing out into the 30s/low 40s in much of the area.  From an instability perspective, the warmer temps at the sfc may not be enough to fully compensate for that drop in dews.

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SPC meso discussion alluded to this

 

Mesoscale Discussion 0079
   NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
   0239 PM CST Thu Jan 19 2023

   Areas affected...Northwestern/north-central Ohio

   Concerning...Severe Thunderstorm Watch 26...

   Valid 192039Z - 192215Z

   The severe weather threat for Severe Thunderstorm Watch 26
   continues.

   SUMMARY...Strong/severe wind gusts are most likely in parts of
   northern Ohio over the next couple of hours.

   DISCUSSION...Strong mixing has lowered dewpoints across southern
   Ohio to the low/mid 30s F. Farther north, a longer duration of cloud
   cover has sheltered the area from mixing. Dewpoints in northern Ohio
   have remained in the low/mid 40s F. Observational trends indicate
   that the strongest portion of the frontal convection has been where
   dewpoints are in the mid 40s F. Though forcing from the shortwave
   trough will remain moderate/strong, it appears that the greatest
   threat for strong/severe wind gusts will be confined to where these
   greater dewpoints are in northern Ohio.

   ..Wendt.. 01/19/2023
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I saw lightning at Toledo at 5:30PM, and it was not far away, as the thunder was quite soon. I really and truly haven't had a +RA in January since before I moved to the Western US. It's just so strange.

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KTOL 192238Z 23017G29KT 3SM TSRA BR FEW009 BKN028 OVC034 07/05 A2950 RMK AO2 PK WND 23029/2235 LTG DSNT E AND SE AND W RAB04 TSB31 P0024 T00720050


KTOL 192231Z 23014G22KT 1 3/4SM R25/6000VP6000FT +TSRA BR SCT012 BKN028 OVC034 08/07 A2950 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E AND SE AND W RAB04 TSB31 PRESRR P0020 T00830067


KTOL 192226Z 22009KT 1 1/2SM VCTS +RA BR FEW014 BKN034 OVC045 09/07 A2949 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT E AND SE RAB04 PRESRR P0011 T00890067

 

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42 minutes ago, CheeselandSkies said:

Apparently no one's noticed because all anyone cares about is snow, but there's a marginal risk almost up to I-80 in IL today and another one tomorrow for most of IN/OH/far eastern IL and far S Lower MI. 5% wind contour both days.

Driving into work I was daydreaming about thunderstorms. I’m ready for the season 

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1 hour ago, hardypalmguy said:


Let’s go!!! I wanna see another 8/18/05. That was wild.

It was indeed (speaking as someone who lived about 1/3 mile from the path of the Stoughton F3 at the time). Not looking for it anytime soon but can't sleep on early season setups in this region anymore either (2/28/17, 3/5/22 and 3/15/16 come to mind).

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5 hours ago, CheeselandSkies said:

Apparently no one's noticed because all anyone cares about is snow, but there's a marginal risk almost up to I-80 in IL today and another one tomorrow for most of IN/OH/far eastern IL and far S Lower MI. 5% wind contour both days.

Can't rule out some severe reports, but on paper it's not as good as the setups that we saw earlier this winter in Iowa and Ohio.  

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One thing this setup has going for it (among others) is the lead system that passes by midweek serves to kickstart the moisture return process from the GOM.  The cold front with that lead system may only settle down into the central parts of IL/IN/OH.  We are still limited by time of year, so don't expect outrageous dews too far north, but this particular evolution with the preceding system means they will be higher than they otherwise would've been.

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2 minutes ago, andyhb said:

Ohio Valley may be rather interesting on Thursday just looking at the setup aloft, and especially if the surface winds can stay closer to southerly.

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This type of setup has yielded some bigger events in the region in the past.

I'm retired as of this week, and as such not tied down to our county. Pretty marginal threat to be heading down to the Cincy area though.

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On 2/14/2023 at 5:05 PM, andyhb said:

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New RRFS looks pretty interesting.

What is new about this? The discrete stuff on the Idiana/Illinois border was a swing and miss. Did it not account for the cold ground temps maybe putting the squash on surface based stuff? It did have the general look right. Will be curious to see more of this in another month or so.

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Meanwhile

 

Day 2 Convective Outlook  
   NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
   1129 AM CST Tue Feb 21 2023

   Valid 221200Z - 231200Z

   ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM CENTRAL AND
   EASTERN OKLAHOMA NORTHEAST INTO WEST-CENTRAL ILLINOIS...

   ...SUMMARY...
   Severe thunderstorms are possible from Wednesday morning through
   afternoon from parts of Oklahoma into western Arkansas, across
   Missouri and western Illinois. Damaging winds appear most likely.

   ...Synopsis...
   Within a large-scale mid/upper-level trough, a pronounced shortwave
   trough will lift rapidly northeast from the southern Plains towards
   the Great Lakes.  Intense low/mid-level wind fields will accompany
   this shortwave trough as it accelerates northeast and generally
   weakens while moving into a more confluent mid-level flow regime. 
   Farther west, a strong upper-level speed max will drop south along
   the west coast and contribute to the development of a closed upper
   low near the CA coast.  Surface low pressure will develop along a
   front over eastern KS and move towards northern IL late Wednesday.

   ...OK northeast into MO/IL/IN and northwest AR...
   Strong/severe thunderstorms may be ongoing across central/eastern OK
   at 12z Wednesday in the vicinity of the dryline/cold front. The
   presence of surface dew points in the upper 50s/lower 60s will
   contribute to modest instability ranging from 250 to 750 J/kg across
   the warm sector during the day, and storms are expected to move
   rapidly northeast during the morning and afternoon. Very strong low-
   and mid-level wind fields (50-65 kts) will translate northeast with
   the shortwave trough and provide a favorable environment for
   strong/severe wind gusts with the stronger convective elements.
   Although large-scale ascent will tend to weaken with time as the
   trough moves into increasingly confluent mid-level flow over the
   Great Lakes, at least some severe risk may persist as far east as
   central IL and western IN. Low severe wind probabilities have been
   extended east accordingly.  Although the predominant linear mode
   will result in damaging winds as the main severe risk, a brief
   tornado cannot be ruled out given favorable low-level shear and at
   least some potential for transient supercell structures and QLCS
   circulations.

   ..Bunting.. 02/21/2023


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